(June 13, 2015 at 2:41 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(June 13, 2015 at 9:52 am)Little Rik Wrote: The sun is the result from previous forms of material lives.
One day it will die like our material-physical body.
You gave the life to your kids and your kids will give life to their own kids.
What this has got to do with our own consciousness?
You are talking about material-physical life not consciousness life.
Have you got any evidence that you gave your kids the consciousness that they got?
You are confusing the matter with the consciousness yog.
Quote:No, I'm not confusing it. You made a claim and were attempting to argue for it.
The universe recycle itself time and time again so why is so strange to say that the sun is the result of previous material forms?
(June 9, 2015 at 8:22 am)Little Rik Wrote: I just explained to you by telling you that our goal can not possibly be this material
world because this world is in no position to satisfy our thirst for infinite peace of mind and happiness
so if it is not here has got to be elsewhere.
And if it is elsewhere other than in the material-physical-mental world the only other place is the spiritual
world.
Quote:You said satisfaction of our thirst "has got to be" elsewhere. Then you tried to argue why.... and failed.
Having failed at that, you want to change the subject and shift the burden of proof.
Did i failed?
Show me where i failed yog.
(June 13, 2015 at 9:52 am)Little Rik Wrote: First you have to prove that the consciousness is the product of the brain which you can't.
Quote:Reversing the burden of proof...
A statement require evidence.
So far i never seen any evidence to confirm this atheist believe that is why i said that you can't.
If in the future you will produce any evidence then i will agree with you although i think it will never happen.
(June 13, 2015 at 9:52 am)Little Rik Wrote: Suppose instead that the matter (brain included) is the product of the consciousness.
In this case nothing come for free because the consciousness come from efforts.
Quote:And there's the inevitable changing of the subject...
So much for your argument. The minute it got tough, you threw it under a bus.
All subjects to me are open for discussion.
No problem with that.
It is rather you guys that refuse to discuss some issue like when i asked what is the meaning of philosophy
and who qualify to be a philosopher.
Atwater Wrote:As you learned in previous chapters, Dr. Melvin Morse is an outspoken near-death researcher and pediatrician based in Renton, Washington. After many years of research and hearing thousands of stories, Dr. Morse claims that he's never heard a single account that made him think someone actually "left their body" during an episode.
— P.M.H. Atwater, The Big Book of Near-Death Experiences
Anything strange about it?
By the way does an outspoken have to be someone who come up with the correct conclusion?
I know of people who search for gold for years and years but always fail to find any.
They get so frustrated that they go around telling everybody that there is no gold around.
Too bad for them and too good for those who find it.
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