(June 8, 2015 at 8:47 am)Tonus Wrote:

Little Rik Wrote:Here we are again with the old litany that the mind is a function of the brain.
All the evidence show is that brain and mind are connected in such a way that one can not do without the other.

Wrong.  And simply claiming otherwise doesn't change that fact.  Car/driver analogies don't change that fact.  Your comical misunderstanding of even basic ideas about how the brain works doesn't change that fact.

Little Rik Wrote:I believe that this is the case but i am not saying as a statement.

My point is that you claim to believe it, but do not have a logical basis for it.  You believe it because it's what you want to believe, so you reject evidence that contradicts your belief, and simply state otherwise as if saying so is sufficient.  You clearly know that it isn't, since you keep demanding evidence.  So you should know that you're approaching the subject in a manner that is unreasonable.  You should also know that ignoring evidence (such as referring to NDEs again) isn't a logical way to approach the subject.  You don't seem to care, but being willfully clueless doesn't seem like a useful way to go through life.

Little Rik Wrote:The study that show that brain and mind are connected to each other is not evidence that the mind is a product of the brain.
Get it in mind Ton because the evidence is a different story.  
My claims may not be evidence to you but make a million more sense than your so called evidence.

Once again, just because you deny the facts will not make them go away.  Replacing facts with your fantasies will not make the facts go away.  If your nonsense makes more sense to you than reasonable conclusions reached from a study of the facts, perhaps you're nuts.

Little Rik Wrote:Researchers that study the brain-mind connection can only work within the physical-mental borders.

...which are the only "borders" that anyone can study and therefore know exist.  You are making up "sciences" that you can't define, and claim that they work on some plane that you can't detect.  And if you don't realize how silly that sounds, then maybe you really are nuts.

Notice that in your response you admit that you're going by what you 'believe,' interpreting facts as you please, and offering claims which deal with a science that cannot be studied or practiced.  This is what you are claiming.  And you apparently think that this is some kind of higher learning.  Honest, it's clear that you've learned to undo the buckles on your straitjacket and get to the nurse's computer to make these posts.  You sound like an insane person.  Yes, it's mildly amusing, but as I said before you're getting repetitive and you've stopped trying, and that's boring.  Step it up, Rik, or I'll move on to the next nutcase.

Don't be ridiculous Ton.
If this universe would be the only thing that exist why is not able to satisfy our longing for peace of mind and total happiness?
This universe made of matter was never meant to satisfy us.
That is why we need to go over his borders.
We are spiritual beings that is why the matter can not satisfy us.
If the spirit within wouldn't be there we would find this universe a perfect place but the reality tell us that it is not.
The struggle never end.
People falsely believe that there is progress but as soon as we solve one problem an other problem pop up in a never ending
show. 
Then the illusion take over and like mad monkeys people run from place to place thinking that they got hold of the real McCoy.
But once again we got nothing real.
I conclude with a thought from one NDE.

Death does not exist. Life goes on. Earth is a boarding school for the children of the Creator. When the semester is over, we get to go home again.


http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experienc..._g_nde.htm

(June 7, 2015 at 8:18 am)Little Rik Wrote: Yog, better you read properly what is written in that link.
It say...........All it has is a network of connections mimicking those in the brain of a worm.
What this means?
It means that they mimic a REACTION from the worm initial action.

No, that's precisely what it doesn't mean.  It isn't mimicking the movements, it's mimicking the operation of the neurons in the worm.  Out of this purely material simulation, the mind and choices of the worm emerge, without being copied.  It is copying the material behavior of the neurons, not the movement.

(June 8, 2015 at 9:50 am)Little Rik Wrote: This universe made of matter was never meant to satisfy us.

True.

(June 8, 2015 at 9:50 am)Little Rik Wrote: We are spiritual beings that is why the matter can not satisfy us.

False.

We are biological beings.  The universe made of matter was never meant to satisfy us.

We have evolved to struggle.  It's what keeps the species alive.

Spiritual satisfaction is a sham.

Wikipedia | Hedonic treadmill Wrote:The hedonic treadmill, also known as hedonic adaptation, is the observed tendency of humans to quickly return to a relatively stable level of happiness despite major positive or negative events or life changes. According to this theory, as a person makes more money, expectations and desires rise in tandem, which results in no permanent gain in happiness. Brickman and Campbell coined the term in their essay "Hedonic Relativism and Planning the Good Society" (1971). During the late 1990s, the concept was modified by Michael Eysenck, a British psychologist, to become the current "hedonic treadmill theory" which compares the pursuit of happiness to a person on a treadmill, who has to keep walking just to stay in the same place. The concept dates back millennia, to such writers as St. Augustine, cited in Robert Burton's 1621 Anatomy of Melancholy: "A true saying it is, Desire hath no rest, is infinite in itself, endless, and as one calls it, a perpetual rack, or horse-mill."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill

(June 8, 2015 at 9:50 am)Little Rik Wrote: Don't be ridiculous Ton.
If this universe would be the only thing that exist why is not able to satisfy our longing for peace of mind and total happiness?

Maybe because "total happiness" is not possible? Other than that, it seems to me that both peace of mind and happiness are quite common in the world. Maybe you feel that they should be eternal and persistent states, but I don't see why that has to be the case. It seems to me that peace of mind and happiness are transient states that depend on many factors, some of which we can control and some we cannot. So we continue to strive to achieve peace of mind and happiness, and depending on our circumstances and our mental approach, we reach them from time to time. Some people (like myself) reach them pretty regularly without resorting to spirit-worlds or intuitional science or metaphysics or whatever it is you believe is the only source of peace and happiness.

Thus, it seems the universe is doing a pretty good job of satisfying my longing for peace of mind and happiness. As for total happiness, I'm not even sure what that is, but maybe the lack of it is proof that there are no gods, and no metaphysical realms, and no sciences that let us find it. That seems like a reasonable conclusion to reach as well. Maybe the problem isn't the universe. Maybe some people are simply too greedy and unable to enjoy what they have.

(June 8, 2015 at 9:50 am)Little Rik Wrote: If this universe would be the only thing that exist why is not able to satisfy our longing for peace of mind and total happiness?

Why should it?

As to your delusion, what, pray tell, would you be satisfied doing FOREVER!

Just when you thought you have had enough, it will be less than a scratch on ETERNITY!

(June 8, 2015 at 9:50 am)Little Rik Wrote: I conclude with a thought from one NDE.

NDE = No Damned Evidence

(June 8, 2015 at 10:01 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(June 7, 2015 at 8:18 am)Little Rik Wrote: Yog, better you read properly what is written in that link.
It say...........All it has is a network of connections mimicking those in the brain of a worm.
What this means?
It means that they mimic a REACTION from the worm initial action.

No, that's precisely what it doesn't mean.  It isn't mimicking the movements, it's mimicking the operation of the neurons in the worm.  Out of this purely material simulation, the mind and choices of the worm emerge, without being copied.  It is copying the material behavior of the neurons, not the movement.

For Christ sake yogini that is not a purely material situation.
The neurons in the worm are activated by that tiny amount of consciousness 
in the worm therefore it originate from the consciousness not from the matter.
The matter is in no position to start any action by itself.
Get it in your mind yog. 

(June 8, 2015 at 11:33 pm)Cato Wrote:

(June 8, 2015 at 9:50 am)Little Rik Wrote: I conclude with a thought from one NDE.

NDE = No Damned Evidence

Yeah, until it happen to you.
Have you got any idea of how many ex atheists are now believers after they had an NDE?
Just go through the hundreds of NDEs if you don't believe me. 

(June 9, 2015 at 8:01 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(June 8, 2015 at 11:33 pm)Cato Wrote: NDE = No Damned Evidence

Yeah, until it happen to you.
Have you got any idea of how many ex atheists are now believers after they had an NDE?
Just go through the hundreds of NDEs if you don't believe me. 

Have you got any idea of how many ex atheists are now believers after hearing somebody hallucinated while in a critical state?

(June 8, 2015 at 10:14 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(June 8, 2015 at 9:50 am)Little Rik Wrote: We are spiritual beings that is why the matter can not satisfy us.

Quote:False. We are biological beings.  The universe made of matter was never meant to satisfy us.
We have evolved to struggle.  It's what keeps the species alive.
Spiritual satisfaction is a sham.

Sure that..........We have evolved to struggle.  It's what keeps the species alive..........
But what this has to do with the fact that we are or are not spiritual beings?
You rather should explain why while our longing are infinite the material-physical world is not.
I just explained to you by telling you that our goal can not possibly be this material
world because this world is in no position to satisfy our thirst for infinite peace of mind and happiness
so if it is not here has got to be elsewhere.
And if it is elsewhere other than in the material-physical-mental world the only other place is the spiritual
world. 

Wikipedia | Hedonic treadmill Wrote:The hedonic treadmill, also known as hedonic adaptation, is the observed tendency of humans to quickly return to a relatively stable level of happiness despite major positive or negative events or life changes. According to this theory, as a person makes more money, expectations and desires rise in tandem, which results in no permanent gain in happiness. Brickman and Campbell coined the term in their essay "Hedonic Relativism and Planning the Good Society" (1971). During the late 1990s, the concept was modified by Michael Eysenck, a British psychologist, to become the current "hedonic treadmill theory" which compares the pursuit of happiness to a person on a treadmill, who has to keep walking just to stay in the same place. The concept dates back millennia, to such writers as St. Augustine, cited in Robert Burton's 1621 Anatomy of Melancholy: "A true saying it is, Desire hath no rest, is infinite in itself, endless, and as one calls it, a perpetual rack, or horse-mill."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill

Surely true but true in the material-physical-mental world where infinite happiness is just a bad dream.
You didn't get it yog, didn't you?