(October 20, 2011 at 5:08 pm)Cinjin Wrote: "Ice my panties" - that's funny. I am afraid it is you that has misinterpreted me quite a bit. I'm nowhere near a level of anxiety that I would need to per-verbally "ice my panties" (plus I'm more of a boxers guy anyway).
Hot.
(October 20, 2011 at 5:08 pm)Cinjin Wrote: I think what this really comes down to for you is not whether or not we should or should not "be nice", but your aversion to being told what to do ... or rather, your perception that you are being told what to do.
Actually, I it's my aversion to anyone else being told how to behave outside of the rules. I do not see myself as unnecessarily hostile. This is not a personal argument for me, but rather an abstract one.
(October 20, 2011 at 5:08 pm)Cinjin Wrote: Summer or anyone else says, "hey guys, lets wrangle it in a bit, and make an attempt to respect each other," and you seem to interpret that as someone telling you, "stop swearing, stop thinking, stop being true to yourself and do as I told you and be nice to the imbeciles."
No, I interpret it as, "Hey guys, behave the way I would ideally have you behave." No offense to anyone. I simply do not find posts that say, "This place is so hostile. Is it so hard for you guys to be nice?" appealing.
(October 20, 2011 at 5:08 pm)Cinjin Wrote: She wasn't talking about just our treatment of trolls, but also the treatment of each other, which had gotten somewhat hostile on occasion.
Yes, when people disagreed. As a debate forum, that is unavoidable. It should not be met with schoolmarmery.
(October 20, 2011 at 5:08 pm)Cinjin Wrote: That is what I was referring to when I said this place had returned to a more pleasant atmosphere.
I still fail to see this. I still see arguments that are perhaps a little out of hand on nearly a daily basis. Most times, they fizzle out on their own and people do not see them. When people happen to click on those threads more often than others, they see hostility as rampant. Unless someone reads every thread, they have no way of knowing what the trend is.
(October 20, 2011 at 5:08 pm)Cinjin Wrote: I think the real issue you have with this is not that summer was wrong, but rather that what you really want to say is, "I will not be told what to think say or do ... Fuck you!" --- even though you already know that she nor I would ever do that. (-tell you what to do that is)
This isn't directed at Summer. It is directed at people who oppose "negativity" in general. Again, I am already told what to do. There are rules here. I have no problem with abiding by them. I do have a (albeit slight) problem with people deciding what they want the tone of the forum to be. Even Adrian didn't try to change what he saw. He simply said, "When I do not like it, I will walk away."
(October 20, 2011 at 5:08 pm)Cinjin Wrote: Also, you'll notice that neither you nor I are being hostile and yet we are disagreeing and having a mild debate here. We can say shit, fuck, and damn-you and all the wonderful cuss words we enjoy and still remain anger free. This does not mean that one is never allowed to get angry or that hostility is not a useful tool. I was merely saying that it should never be used an opening defense against total imbeciles and certainly not against our own "brothers and sisters".
That's the thing. I do not see that . . . ever. I guess it is a matter of interpretation.
(October 20, 2011 at 5:08 pm)Cinjin Wrote: That being said, your point IS taken. You are defending your right to say "fuck you!"
No I'm not. I'm defending everyone here against what I see is a rising attitude police trend.
(October 20, 2011 at 5:08 pm)Cinjin Wrote: My point, was that no one was EVER trying to take that away and quite frankly, you know me ... I'm a guy who's going to jump right in there with you and say "fuck you dipshit!".
Again, I don't think anyone is trying to take away that right. I think people are trying to dictate the atmosphere of the forum by bitching about other people's attitudes. Again, no offense. I just do not agree. If the rules change to exclude negativity, I will conform. Until then, I do not care if people's attitudes do not suit other people's attitudes.
(October 20, 2011 at 5:08 pm)Cinjin Wrote: Meanwhile, I'm going to make an effort to curb unnecessary hostile behavior. Which is all we ever recommended.
And that is great . . . for you. I just do not see why it should be anything more than an individual's prerogative.
(October 20, 2011 at 5:08 pm)Cinjin Wrote: I hope this clarifies my position on a matter I thought had long since been closed. Your position of "Fuck you Cinjin" has been noted ... and oddly enough is respected.
Nah, it's more "Your opinion is retarded."
I still love ya, man.
