Can bible really be interpreted as if there is no torment but you cease to exist

[Undeceived]

Hell is a spiritual place, not one God has to go out of His way to create. The torment we receive would be within our souls, not external fire. And by rejecting God, we have chosen it. He gave us free will. This life is meant to divide people who are grateful for God's creating them and those who are not. If you are not grateful, you don't want to be in heaven anyway. You'd rather be sent to hell.

Hello Undeceived.
If I understand this correctly, Hell isn't a real place with fire and brimstone - it is just somewhere in your head. Did I get that right?
Heaven on the other hand, according to you, is a real place that you actually WANT to go to. Did I get that right?

I have two questions.
1. Why do you choose to believe that hell is just a spiritual place inside your head but heaven is actually a real place?

2. Assuming you go to heaven, how do you imagine spending eternity? Bear in mind that there may be some restrictions on sex, especially with multiple partners or same sex partners or even by yourself, you may even have the pleasure of healthy lust removed from you. There is no apparent plan to procreate and bring up children, no need to work, plan, build, create, invent, experiment, learn, travel, there may be some restrictions on alcohol, gluttony, drugs, etc and even if you can get a TV signal up there, you will probably get a bit fed up with all the repeats over eternity. You can probably learn to play the harp and I do hear that you get plenty of time to worship God. Is that your plan for eternity?

1. Hell is a place, so to speak, but not what we usually think of a place being. It is not on earth, and neither is heaven. It is spiritual, meaning you won't have a body to burn or a physical brain to think with. Your spirit will be in torment because you missed Christ when he was staring you in the face.

2. Mark 12:25 says "When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage." We will have been washed clean by Jesus' sacrifice so we won't have the desire to sin. Heaven is not a place in the clouds or another planet with natural law restrictions or body limitations like disease. Philippians 3:20-21 says "But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body." Adds Revelation 21:4, "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." Heaven is a not a party to drink at, but a place we will be perfectly happy fellowshiping with others and being with God. Imagine the feeling you had when you were first engaged or married (or what it might be) and when or if you held your first child in your arms. Heaven will be joy like that, but infinitely more powerful and unending.

[MrSkeptic]

If I told you i was a man of love, yet you knew I had a torture chamber in the basement of my home that I would use time to time on people who did not love me back....what would you think of me?

Would love to hear what the theist has to say about this!

[Welsh cake]

1. Hell is a place, so to speak, but not what we usually think of a place being. It is not on earth, and neither is heaven.

Is it a state or a place is all we're asking. Its not necessary or advisable to go through the process of elimination through your own belief system to rule out what hell isn't, otherwise we're going to be here all day.

It is spiritual, meaning you won't have a body to burn or a physical brain to think with.

Here's the problem "spiritual" is a meaningless word. I have no idea what context you are using the word because you haven't defined the word "spirit" yet. If we don't have bodies that have senses to experience reality or feel pain with then its not hell, its simply oblivion (nothingness).

Your spirit will be in torment because you missed Christ when he was staring you in the face.

How can he actually stare at us in the face if we don't have one?

Heaven is a not a party to drink at, but a place we will be perfectly happy fellowshiping with others and being with God.

How is one happy with god? What does he do to make one feel happy after deliberately giving the survivors in Heaven amnesia to forget the billions that have just been sent to eternal torment and torture?

Imagine the feeling you had when you were first engaged or married (or what it might be) and when or if you held your first child in your arms. Heaven will be joy like that, but infinitely more powerful and unending.

Well since there's no marriage in Heaven nor are any more people being created in the afterlife I cannot relate to the feeling. Especially since getting married to a ball and chain and having children with my inherited illnesses would quite frankly be my worst nightmare, hardly the feeling of joy or elation you were describing.

Also I'm curious as to why you'd throw in infinity as a 'quantifier' of the joy? By what means is the joy sustained indefinitely?

[Norfolk And Chance]

You're completely wrong about Heaven.

Prove it.

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You say that I am "completely wrong about heaven", can I assume therefore that YOU are intending to have constant sex with multiple partners of both sexes, bring up children, work hard etc and NOT worship God? For an E T E R N I T Y !

No, the stupid, numb nutted, fuckwit thinks that god will give him his own galaxy to play with.

[tackattack]

If I told you i was a man of love, yet you knew I had a torture chamber in the basement of my home that I would use time to time on people who did not love me back....what would you think of me?

Would love to hear what the theist has to say about this!

I'm not sure what theist you're referring to but I'll respond. Response:
That you were not a man of Love.

[KichigaiNeko]

And yet this is just what you deity does.... QED

[tackattack]

According to a lot of bitter or uninterested atheists, not according to the doctrine many Christians believe in, not that majority has any relevance. There are plenty of Christians that believe in eternal torment. I've not met one yet that was not a condemning or self-righteous prick (for lack of a better vernacular). I'd say they weren't acting like true Christians, but I don't' feel like arguing against the scotsman this morning.

[KichigaiNeko]

You really need to read your babble Tacky.... really!!

[tackattack]

I'll make note of that KN. Perhaps I've been reading too much of my Quran lately....

[KichigaiNeko]

Perhaps Tacky...

Hey are you up early or doing an all nighter??