Atheism and democracy

[Annik]

As nationalistic as any Nazi!

(Note: I am not calling him a Nazi, just pointing out some of the pits falls of Nationalism. Also, look to the increasingly nationalistic America.)

[Shell B]

Democracy in America is only a part of the system. We are not "a Democracy", as people seem to think. We are a Democratic Republic. And that's debatable at this point. Corporations run this country... Not "The People".

Constitutional Republic.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Stop calling for the toppling of a president. You live under the system and have no right to question it's rules and decisions.....lol.

(IOW, adhere to your own damned principles, please)

I do not break it's rules, nor it's decisions.
My own principles were the founding principles of this country.
I only adhere to these, and my loyalties lie with these.
I do not have to profess loyalty to the current corrupt, liberal system.

Ahh, so you're a fascist.

I'm not italian, if that's what you're asking.

As nationalistic as any Nazi!

Nazism means "national socialism". We do not use any labels other than our own. Our ideology is genuine and older than both nazism and fascism.

I am not calling him a Nazi, just pointing out some of the pits falls of Nationalism. Also, look to the increasingly nationalistic America.

Pitfalls? "Nationalistic" America?
America is not even a real nation to be "nationalistic".
Pitfalls are for those who adhere to communism, capitalism and other manners of -ism's which adhere to international, cosmopolitanist principles.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Besides, I could tell you this that national socialism is probably the most "indescriptive" form of nationalism ever.
It actually denotes an economic system.
Socialism, which is an international system, has been incorporated into Germany by Hitler and it's NSDAP, Nationalsozialistische Arbeiterspartei, the nationalist socialist worker's party. This makes it a direct anti-thesis to the internationalist worker's parties that have been around for the days.

Our ideology, which is Turkish nationalism is not the anti-thesis of any ideology.
Our policies that might resemble "socialism", like for example, free education, free healthcare, and if we advance that far enough, free energy and food, will be due to our love for our people, and their wellbeing, not due to some supposed class struggle that exists there.

The NSDAP too, took it's power from the working class. We take our power not from any class, but from the nation itself.
The people who criticize me for advocating a single party system, usually via the liberal usage of the word "fascist", and by liberal, I mean plenty, should take a look at the majority of the communist countries which have graced this earth.
All, single party system. Go ahead and call them fascists, friends.
The real trouble is that they have aimed for an international form of government, with a very unrealistic outlook on economy and socio-cultural aspects.

[Angrboda]

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

— U.S. Declaration Of Independence


"Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate
into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous
to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary."

— H.L. Mencken


As usual, the question of what possibly could happen is considerably less interesting than the question of what will happen.

I read a paper in college that suggested that if a class of a country's citizenry were denied full access and power of the rights of the whole, they were proportionately less obligated to abide by, and support the state and its laws. Not sure I agree, but it is an interesting notion.

"One half of the people of this nation today are utterly powerless to blot from the statute books an unjust law, or to write there a new and a just one."
— An account of the proceedings on the trial of Susan B. Anthony, on the charge of illegal voting at the presidential election in November 1872

Moar at Hobbes, Jefferson, Rousseau, et al.