The Religious and the fascination with the illuminati and a NWO

[Gooders1002]

Whenever I speak to a Christian or Muslim about religion most of the time that on about the 'secret' illuminati cult controlled by the Rothschild's and some sort of New World Order and It puzzles me that if there is some big conspiracy then why is it that only the religious seem to care and it scares them as much as global warming scares me.
And if the conspiracy is true, it is the worst kept secret since the Chinese secret aircraft carrier, being built. Also if it is I am sure some sort of forced investigation could be made. but its probably all bullshit from religious wackos.
I would like your thoughts and a complete debunk (the myth), if you can.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Would you say?
Well, I'm not really a man who believes in the NWO, but I believe that the Rothschilds are some shady motherfuckers that have their hands in a lot of pies ever since the first world war.
Conspiracy? I don't think so, for I'm sure that most of these things do not happen in shadows, dark lonely alleys or underground secret bunkers. They are done in the open, but are not given too much coverage, because people care about the little things in life that they do not care about the big things anymore.

[Gooders1002]

As far as I am concerned, as long as I can live a happy, loving life with my spouse and have some freedom to do mostly what I want, I could not really give a shit about who runs what and how. I am a simple animal with simple wants and needs, as long as those are meet, I will be happy.

[kılıç_mehmet]

As far as I am concerned, as long as I can live a happy, loving life with my spouse and have some freedom to do mostly what I want, I could not really give a shit about who runs what and how. I am a simple animal with simple wants and needs, as long as those are meet, I will be happy.

Okay, you may be that way.
I am a man who adheres to nationalist principles. In that case, bearing my nation's interests in mind, I have to look out for any potential threats to it. NWO might be just another conspiracy ramble, but that doesn't mean that no threats exist or that we won't ever have any enemies. Actually we already do.
The NWO on the other hand, actually concerns the whole world, at is seems, which means it concerns individual countries, nations, people and etc.
Thankfully, I'm fairly certain that no new world order will be enforced by anyone, not that anyone has the power to do such a thing. Least, not the US, or for that matter of fact, Rothschilds, Israel, Jews, Gypsies, or Aliens. However, it is known that some of these who were counted have done things for personal gain or national interests, which have sometimes clashed with the interests of others, but obviously, this is the law of the world.
IF two sides are rightful, the only way to settle things is war, either by covert means or by means of cold steel.

[Gooders1002]

As far as I am concerned, as long as I can live a happy, loving life with my spouse and have some freedom to do mostly what I want, I could not really give a shit about who runs what and how. I am a simple animal with simple wants and needs, as long as those are meet, I will be happy.

Okay, you may be that way.
I am a man who adheres to nationalist principles. In that case, bearing my nation's interests in mind, I have to look out for any potential threats to it. NWO might be just another conspiracy ramble, but that doesn't mean that no threats exist or that we won't ever have any enemies. Actually we already do.
The NWO on the other hand, actually concerns the whole world, at is seems, which means it concerns individual countries, nations, people and etc.
Thankfully, I'm fairly certain that no new world order will be enforced by anyone, not that anyone has the power to do such a thing. Least, not the US, or for that matter of fact, Rothschilds, Israel, Jews, Gypsies, or Aliens. However, it is known that some of these who were counted have done things for personal gain or national interests, which have sometimes clashed with the interests of others, but obviously, this is the law of the world.
IF two sides are rightful, the only way to settle things is war, either by covert means or by means of cold steel.

Don't get me wrong, I don't what the world to be controlled by anybody. in fact I think that if we had more sensible people the world would not need a government or rulers were everybody, lives by the principle of Try not to be a dick. Alas that world will never be as you will always have some ass-hole trying to wreck it for everybody. This is a crazy world and if given the choice I would not have choose to have been born in such an insane and cruel world that can only barely support life.

I do try and look out the big picture and try and look after my fellow ape, but I am a simple ape with simple needs and if those are not meet then there is something very wrong in the world.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Okay, you may be that way.
I am a man who adheres to nationalist principles. In that case, bearing my nation's interests in mind, I have to look out for any potential threats to it. NWO might be just another conspiracy ramble, but that doesn't mean that no threats exist or that we won't ever have any enemies. Actually we already do.
The NWO on the other hand, actually concerns the whole world, at is seems, which means it concerns individual countries, nations, people and etc.
Thankfully, I'm fairly certain that no new world order will be enforced by anyone, not that anyone has the power to do such a thing. Least, not the US, or for that matter of fact, Rothschilds, Israel, Jews, Gypsies, or Aliens. However, it is known that some of these who were counted have done things for personal gain or national interests, which have sometimes clashed with the interests of others, but obviously, this is the law of the world.
IF two sides are rightful, the only way to settle things is war, either by covert means or by means of cold steel.

Don't get me wrong, I don't what the world to be controlled by anybody. in fact I think that if we had more sensible people the world would not need a government or rulers were everybody, lives by the principle of Try not to be a dick. Alas that world will never be as you will always have some ass-hole trying to wreck it for everybody. This is a crazy world and if given the choice I would not have choose to have been born in such an insane and cruel world that can only barely support life.

I do try and look out the big picture and try and look after my fellow ape, but I am a simple ape with simple needs and if those are not meet then there is something very wrong in the world.

Well, the world would not need a government if there were no people living on it, friend. Other than that, nations need a government to keep stability, peace and provisions to keep a community of people alive.
However, what the world does not need is parasites, and the world certainly does not need people who wish to rule over it for their own purposes. I mean, there can come by a person which is like the God emperor in Warhammer 40k and rule over the word and create space marines to fight off xenos and the Gods of Chaos to keep mankind alive and etc. but I think we've not yet reached the time in which the Empra will step forward as the shepherd of mankind.

And as for your simple needs, I'm not sure what you think when you come to think of your simple needs, but my simple needs are intervowen with my ideals, they are not simply bound by me, for I cannot lead a life of a clean conscience knowing that my kindred suffer elsewhere.

[Gooders1002]

Well you do have a point but suffering is something that will always be there, is sad but the honest truth whether it is physical or mental, self inflicted or has an outside cause. this world needs to get rid of it human parasites as there making it more crap for everybody. I believe the Government it's purely there to protect the people, not control or restrict them. and protect them from invaders and criminals that would seek to stop anybody making a free choice to do or not do something that do/don't want to do.
Current governments of any nation, are not doing that they doing more then what they need to do, no government should seek to start a war or in any way restrict is people with laws that seem over protective or controlling, to be neutral when it comes to religion and not except bribes or coercition that would only befit a few and be at a cost to many for selfish reasons. Also a Government should be controlled by is people, not the other way around.
At the moment the worlds government are controlled by parasites which seek to make its people suffer in some form and say its helping. Some are worst then others.
There is a alot of wrong in the world, and until government start behaving like they should, there will be more suffering and all we can do it one day they will get it.

[FallentoReason]

My Christian friend has heavily researched the Illuminati and he reckons they're the opposite of Christians i.e. the dark side. He says they worship Lucifer and the perks of that is that they can transform into animals.

This version of the Illuminati debunks itself purely from the description of it. It's absolute bullcrap.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Well you do have a point but suffering is something that will always be there, is sad but the honest truth whether it is physical or mental, self inflicted or has an outside cause. this world needs to get rid of it human parasites as there making it more crap for everybody. I believe the Government it's purely there to protect the people, not control or restrict them. and protect them from invaders and criminals that would seek to stop anybody making a free choice to do or not do something that do/don't want to do.
Current governments of any nation, are not doing that they doing more then what they need to do, no government should seek to start a war or in any way restrict is people with laws that seem over protective or controlling, to be neutral when it comes to religion and not except bribes or coercition that would only befit a few and be at a cost to many for selfish reasons. Also a Government should be controlled by is people, not the other way around.
At the moment the worlds government are controlled by parasites which seek to make its people suffer in some form and say its helping. Some are worst then others.
There is a alot of wrong in the world, and until government start behaving like they should, there will be more suffering and all we can do it one day they will get it.

Well, protection arises from a certain level of restriction. If there were no restrictions, governments would not exist, and we would live in a state of anarchy, in which no one would be safe.
And governments are of course, controlled by their people, but also are given powers by the people to exert a certain amount of control over the people.
In that regard, governments are not a seperate thing from the people they govern, and people are not seperate from the government they make up. As such, a well maintained public order, along with social progams that allow for social progress, and steady readily available supply of basic things like food, shelter and water, along with free education, and even free electricity mean social stability. These are what countries, nations and their governments should aspire to. Can I give my people free water, food and shelter while not draining them dry? Can I install such efficient electricity generation systems as to provide my people with it? Can I make education freely available to those who want to have a better life standart and serve their people in the future?

In short, friend, social order is not easily kept in check. It requires a fairly good distribution of national resources, but also requires that any harmful effects on society besides crime, that said, things that drive people to become lazy, or become too preoccpuied with themselves, or simply disregard society for personal pleasures, while ignoring public interests.
Such things include things like drugs, alcohol, gambling, excessive media control over the public, stupifying popular culture, egocentrism and consumerism.
Any country and a good government should try to minimize the effect of these on the public.

[Minimalist]

but I believe that the Rothschilds are some shady motherfuckers that have their hands in a lot of pies ever since the first world war.

Pretty true of all bankers, mehmet.