Things about Obama that annnoy me

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Frantz Fanon wrote about anti colonialism are you saying you're in favor of colonialism?

Loaded question.

'The Wretched Of The Earth' is an interesting, if sometimes hysterical polemic,giving a perspective into the colonial experience in Algeria . The book is more to do with decolonisation than anti colonisation per se.

[5thHorseman]

Brit hater, pfft. What a load of bollocks.

Then respond to the article, one point at a time, please.

I wish you good luck in your pointless goal in defending the overbearing cretin.

I'll try . I don't like him either, but these attacks are idiotic and incredibly weak.

1. Siding with Argentina over the Falkland Islands

DS wrongly claims Obama wants to return control of the Falkland Islands from Britain to Argentina: the US refused in April to endorse a final declaration on Argentina’s claim to the islands at the Summit of the Americas, provoking criticism from other Latin American nations;

http://www.leftfootforward.org/

2. Calling France America’s strongest ally

Right, he's on a platform at the white house with Nicolas Sarkozy, the most Atlanticist French President ever(he even liked us), and people expect Obama to say 'You're a great ally, but behind; Britain, Israel, Phillipines, South Korea, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, etc. etc. Of course he's going to say that. Which politician doesn't try suck up to his opposite number? Sarkozy wasn't there for a tea party, Obama wanted something, and Sarkozy is as vain a politician as anyone could hope to meet.

America's best friends should be; Canada, China and Mexico, as they are there 3 biggest import and export partners. Or does war only qualify for 'best friend' status? And I wonder if Canada is crying into it's pillow at night from being spurned by it's economic best pal?

3. Lecturing Britain on a federal Europe and undercutting British sovereignty

“I believe [political integration is] in Europe’s interest and I believe that is in the United States’ interest because we want a strong Europe.”

I want to stress that the UK needs to remain in the EU. The US does not want to see Britain’s role in the EU diminished in any way. The message I want to convey today is that we want to see a stronger EU, but also a stronger British participation within the EU. This is crucial if, together, we are going to meet all the global challenges facing us, including climate change and security.

So Britain has MORE influence, maybe? Britain still is one of the 3 powers of Europe, and without EU membership, we'd have sod all power. All of our main political parties agree with this, even the tories.

4. Betraying Britain to appease Moscow over the New START Treaty

Information about every Trident missile the US supplies to Britain will be given to Russia as part of an arms control deal signed by President Barack Obama next week. Defence analysts claim the agreement risks undermining Britain’s policy of refusing to confirm the exact size of its nuclear arsenal.

So they'll know the size of our arsenal...... ok. At least the Russians will know what we have, yet not know what they have. I think that them having a number is worth getting something out of them. After all, they'll never be used and Russia is past it, and are not a threat anymore.

But it is a stab in the back nonetheless, I agree.

5. Airbrushing Britain from Europe

A striking feature of Obama administration speeches on Europe is the frequent omission altogether of Great Britain, as if it doesn’t even exist. A major recent example of this was an address in January 2012 by Philip H. Gordon, US Assistant Secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs, on “the state of transatlantic relations”, which completely left the British out of the discussion of the role of US allies in the Afghanistan and Libya operations, as well as the Iranian nuclear crisis.

Obama isn't Philip H. Gordon. Nor is he his babysitter. Nor does he dictate his speeches for him.

6. Throwing Churchill out of the Oval Office

Firstly, wtf is a drink sodden long dead PM doing in the white house? What is the facination with people like Churchill and Diana? You have Jefferson, Franklin, Washington, Hamilton Lincoln, FDR and Teddy ffs. It's an endless list of wonderful AMERICAN people.

But for the bust, this is simply a lie;

DS says Obama removed a bust of British prime minister Winston Churchill from the Oval Office because Churchill represented British colonialism: White House curator William Allman said the bust, which had been on loan, was already scheduled to be returned before Obama took office; another bust of Churchill is on display in the president’s private residence, the White House says.

7. Placing a “boot on the throat” of BP

I think it was a bit ott, especially refering to BP as British Petroleum, a long since redundant name, but uou can hardly blame him given what happened and how awful BP's safety record is. Did anyone expect him to be nice about them after the spill fucked masses of sea and fucked a hell of a lot of American fish industries and tourism? Fuck no, and why should he hold back for the sake of our pension funds, laughable suggestion. What would angry Americans who have lost out far more than our pensioners because of the oil spill think if there president said 'hayho'? Not much.

8. DVDs for the Prime Minister

Seriously, who fucking cares. It's more than doubtful that Obama nor any preceeding President has anything to do with pointless presents. They run the most important nation and i'd put my house on this being a White House aides cockup.

9. Insulting words from the State Department

The mocking views of a senior State Department official following Gordon Brown's embarrassing reception at the White House in March 2010 says it all:

There’s nothing special about Britain. You’re just the same as the other 190 countries in the world. You shouldn’t expect special treatment.

Once again, he's no babysitter, nor a speechwriter, nor did he say this himself. Or is this maybe taken out of context, was it sarcasm by the official?

10. Confusing England with Great Britain

So...... a speech mistake, right.



That is one of the worst articles i've ever seen in a normally excellent paper. That journo is a bad journo. Nothing in that article shows insults by Obama to the UK bar the missile info. It shows mistakes, lies and half-truths from a half arsed journo who supports Bush and neo-cons.

A bit on the journo.

Nile Gardiner is a British conservative commentator, director of the Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom at The Heritage Foundation, and a former aide to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. He is also a commentator on U.S. and British television and a frequent contributor to the Fox News network, and the London Daily Telegraph.

Gardiner is a supporter of the Transatlantic alliance and the idea that the U.S. and U.K. should "project power and influence across the world.”

Gardiner supported the 2003 invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and has defended the George W. Bush administration's record in warfare, and in combatting terrorism.

It doesn't seem unreasonable that he is completely bias against Obama because he's a conservative neo-con that works for Fox and the Heritage foundation. Hardly objective like his historical education demands. Face it, to get on Fox you have to be a certain type of person anyway.


From another Telegraph journo;

His relations with Gordon Brown were frosty and his early dealings with David Cameron were overshadowed by the anti-British backlash to the BP oil spill.

But three years later, Barack Obama seems finally to have been fully converted. As he and his wife Michelle prepare to play host to David and Samantha Cameron on what has been designated "an official visit with a state dinner" - only the Queen can make a state visit - diplomats are noting the warmest language he has ever used about Britain.

In a briefing to White House correspondents last week an Obama spokesman twice referred to the "special relationship", highlighted the "strong personal bond" between the two leaders and described Britain as "our closest partner in the world" - the most enthusiastic assessment of US-UK ties since Mr Obama took office.

[KichigaiNeko]

I hate Obama - not for his politics but

1) he slouches

2) he doesn't wear a tie when he should do.

3) that stupid little run he does down aircraft steps

4) I also hate his wife

5) he is clearly an agnostic but pretends to be everything else.

And THIS IS ALL? !!!

Vote for the schlemiel already..you clearly like the guy

[Puddleglum]

5th Horseman - I get it .You are an Anti British Briton just like the anti American Americans on the left of the Democrat party. I met a few like you you cerytainly don't represent most Brits I met. You told a 'whopper' about all school children in London being asian if they weren't black so I take it that you don;t actually hold much to facts.

Are you a marxist of some description?

[5thHorseman]

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Firstly im not anti-British, how you got to that from me defending Obama againt shit baseless assertions i dont know, but by saying so you added yet another baseless assertion, and it's you who has bought no facts with you. Im quite proud of what my tiny island has achieved actually. You seem to hate Michelle Obama for............ no decent reason. Bring forth a decent argument with evidence of her racism and i'll back you. I don't even like president Obama, he lied. I wouldn't vote for him if he were our PM.

I do represent the majority of brits, i vote down the middle, centre left labour and centre lib dems in local elections, if i moves 2 miles south i'd vote for the conservative as i know he's a great politician and does well for the area. I also know another conservative mp who im quite fond of. I also have the odd libertarian thought from time to time.(from reading Hayek, and from Tiberius's posts)

So no im not a marxist. What an odd thing to even ask. I just disliked your op which was frankly childish and had no substance and the bandwagon jumpers were laughable and the journalistlic piece linked by WC was awful.

I was also in favour of Afghanistan and Iraq wars, but now i've changed my mind on Iraq. For this support i've been called a neo con on here too, for agreeing with 2 things bush did.

Since i've been on this site, i've been called a marxist and a neo-con, but the truth is i lay smack in the middle.

i'll give you the schools one though, but black and asians are the majority in london. I doubt she picked the schools though, it's probably done our end by our people, or at least staffers at your end. But i have worked in around 20 schools in south london and tower hamlets(shithole)

[Puddleglum]

You seem to hate Michelle Obama for............ no decent reason.

having a fat ass for one but its clear that she is a racist. Her Visits only to Black schools in London proves it.(plus lots of things in the US that I won't bother going into)

being pro EU is most defintely a minority opinion in the UK .They don't dare have a referendum -they know what will happen just like immigration and capital punishment.

[5thHorseman]

What's wrong with a big ass?

Please show your evidence for her racism, after all she did marry a mixed race, and not a black man.

I doubt she personally picked the schools, I'd have though that'd have more to do with Number 10 or White House staffers(less likely).

Yes EU is a minority position, but not with the elected officials. Almost definitely the same with immigration too, as most are ignorant to the benefits of it and our need, like America's for cheap labour forces. Capital punishment is most likely too, but thankfully no one would dare bring it back. It hardly works wonders in America or other countries, does it.

[A Theist]

What's wrong with a big ass?

Everything. Especially since Michelle's big ass happens to be Barack!

[5thHorseman]

i did actually lol.

[Puddleglum]

i) Everything. Especially since Michelle's big ass happens to be Barack!

Exactly

2)
Please show your evidence for her racism, after all she did marry a mixed race, and not a black man.

3) You are using Brit terms. Obama is seen as BLACK in the Political world. Black politics uses a 'one drop rule' This is the 'Black 'man Benjamin Jealous who is the head of the NAACP http://scottystarnes.files.wordpress.com...square.jpg. There is no 'Mixed race as you have in the UK when it comes to blackness.

4) doubt she personally picked the schools, I'd have though that'd have more to do with Number 10 or White House staffers(less likely).

You already lied about the constitution of London's schools so why we should take your word for anything is moot. T

5) Yes EU is a minority position, but not with the elected officials. Almost definitely the same with immigration too, as most are ignorant to the benefits of it and our need, like America's for cheap labour forces.

Ah - you are an elitist -Mama knows best! Yeah that Muslim immigration is working out real good for you. Poles not so much. Why not just give up elections altogether and have 'the great and the good' (I love that Briti Phrase' just decide amongst themselves who the next PM will be. t can be as non biased as the BBC is ( Ill bet you claim it is neutral)

Capital punishment doesn;t work? There isn;t anyone executed that ever came back to commit another murder.