Like it or not, God is immoral.

[Minimalist]

The demonstration that you purveyors of "morality" worship a dick.

[ThomM]

If you do not agree that God is immoral from what you have heard above, then give your reason


Sorry - but since NO god is proven to exist - how can you say that a fairy tale creature is immoral in reality?

[Reforged]

Like it or not, God is immoral.

This clip shows how man has defined morality. I generally agree with it as it closely resembles the morality shown in all the holy books. I see them as closely resembling the golden rule.

http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/17/the_real_differ/

This clip show how what I see as a good representation of moral men judging God’s morality. I agree with their verdict and judge God to be immoral.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI

From the above and from all that we know of God as depicted in the Bible, one can only conclude that God is immoral.

All those with intelligence who can discern moral actions from immoral actions will agree.

Moral actions for this exercise will be those issues where God interacts with humans.

If you do not agree that God is immoral from what you have heard above, then give your reason and I will show that God chose the immoral path in whatever action you choose to use as your example of his moral action. That or I will show that any of his altruistic acts are self-serving.

Regards
DL

Again, If morality is the ever changing standard of man, then man can judge anything moral or immoral. So, men have judged God Immoral.. So, what?

Where as if God is a constant source of morality that never changes then slavery and killing heretics is still cool. Right? :-)
See I knew when I adopted those children to do my housework I wasn't doing anything wrong. What a relief, thanks Drich.

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Well put Drich, if they only understood what real judgement was they would be much less likely to judge the Perfect One.

Very well put Godschild. Now if only others would learn that judging me isn't acceptable.

[Ben Davis]

If morality is the ever changing standard of God, then God can judge anything moral or immoral. So, God claims to be the objective source of morality.. So what?

Hi Drich, fixed that for you.

[greneknight]

Like it or not, God is immoral.

This clip shows how man has defined morality. I generally agree with it as it closely resembles the morality shown in all the holy books. I see them as closely resembling the golden rule.

http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/17/the_real_differ/

This clip show how what I see as a good representation of moral men judging God’s morality. I agree with their verdict and judge God to be immoral.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI

From the above and from all that we know of God as depicted in the Bible, one can only conclude that God is immoral.

All those with intelligence who can discern moral actions from immoral actions will agree.

Moral actions for this exercise will be those issues where God interacts with humans.

If you do not agree that God is immoral from what you have heard above, then give your reason and I will show that God chose the immoral path in whatever action you choose to use as your example of his moral action. That or I will show that any of his altruistic acts are self-serving.

Regards
DL

I agree with you that it would appear that God is extremely evil and immoral. I thought a great deal about it and recently, I came up with an idea that seems to work and my vicar thinks it's a viable Christian option. This is how I see it - God doesn't exist. The Bible was written by an ancient marauding tribe that was bloodthirsty and of course they would write the Bible this way. So how then do we affirm our Creeds. Simple, we still use the same vehicle of our religious culture but I take God to be a mere metaphor for goodness, truth and justice. So when I say I'll let God control my life, it's another way of saying I'll let truth control my life. My vicar says this is a perfectly acceptable system and we have a few bishops and archbishops who have the same idea so it's sad but it looks like I didn't originate this idea of God as a metaphor.

[JohnDG]

Well put Drich, if they only understood what real judgement was they would be much less likely to judge the Perfect One.

We listen to and watch Christians like you, we know what judgement is. If your religion is true, you failed at it.

Just saying you cannot judge a perfect being is a judgement in itself. In fact if you look at people closely you realize our entire way of life is based off the judgement's we make.

If god is perfect he is neither moral nor immoral as both would be imperfect. He is either both or neutral.

[Drich]

Hi Drich, I fixed so it would read consistant with my limited understanding of God and Morality for you.

Hi Ben Davis, I inturn fix your statement for you (I can do this as long as you like) Rather "I like" (see fixed another one )

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Well put Drich, if they only understood what real judgement was they would be much less likely to judge the Perfect One.

We listen to and watch Christians like you, we know what judgement is. If your religion is true, you failed at it.

Just saying you cannot judge a perfect being is a judgement in itself. In fact if you look at people closely you realize our entire way of life is based off the judgement's we make.

If god is perfect he is neither moral nor immoral as both would be imperfect. He is either both or neutral.

That is why God descriibes Himself as Righteous. Righteousness is not morality. Morality is man's (Flawed) attempt at his personal version of Righteousness. Which is why I said so what if God is not measured or judged 'moral.' Because Morality is a sub standard way to judge God. (as you have so graciously pointed out.)

[Ben Davis]

Hi Drich, I fixed so it would read consistant with my limited understanding of God and Morality for you.

Hi Ben Davis, I inturn fix your statement for you (I can do this as long as you like) Rather "I like" (see fixed another one )

Then let's cut the banter and make the point expicit: if God is the source of morality then morality isn't objective as it's subject to God's will; if morality is not subject to God's will then it may or may not be objective but God can't be the source. That's a conflict which scripture simply can't address. Instead, special pleading is the only way that apologists have tried to resolve this problem.

What's your response to this argument?

[genkaus]

That is why God descriibes Himself as Righteous. Righteousness is not morality. Morality is man's (Flawed) attempt at his personal version of Righteousness. Which is why I said so what if God is not measured or judged 'moral.' Because Morality is a sub standard way to judge God. (as you have so graciously pointed out.)

On the contrary, righteousness is morality. Being righteous means adhering to moral principles. Which is why, even if your god describes himself as righteous, his actions, since they speak otherwise, allow us to judge him as decidedly unrighteous and immoral.

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Then let's cut the banter and make the point expicit: if God is the source of morality then morality isn't objective as it's subject to God's will; if morality is not subject to God's will then it may or may not be objective but God can't be the source. That's a conflict which scripture simply can't address. Instead, special pleading is the only way that apologists have tried to resolve this problem.

What's your response to this argument?

There is no response to this argument - only an evasion. As Drich would demonstrate shortly.

[Drich]

Then let's cut the banter and make the point expicit:

if God is the source of morality

Again, God is not the source of morality. God is the source of true Righteousness. Morlity is man's attempt at said Righteousness. That makes God's express will absolute and unchanging, and yet allows man to change his understanding of 'morality' to fit whatever culture or age he lives in. In short morality' is the sin man has found acceptable to live with while True Godly righteousness is the absence of sin.

then morality isn't objective as it's subject to God's will; if morality is not subject to God's will then it may or may not be objective but God can't be the source. That's a conflict which scripture simply can't address. Instead, special pleading is the only way that apologists have tried to resolve this problem.

What's your response to this argument?

My 'response' voids out your failed arguement because you predicated the orgins of "morality" on God. when in fact I have said from my first post that morality is a creation of Man.

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On the contrary, righteousness is morality.

Do you have book chapter and verse or are you simply trying to force a modern understanding of 'righteousness' onto the Hebrew word: tsĕdaqah which tells us in this context that Righteousness/tsĕdaqah
is an attribute of God? Or the greek word: dikaiosynē
1) in a broad sense: state of him who is as he ought to be, righteousness, the condition acceptable to God

Being righteous means adhering to moral principles. Which is why, even if your god describes himself as righteous, his actions, since they speak otherwise, allow us to judge him as decidedly unrighteous and immoral.

ah, no..