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RE: God approves of evolution
September 19, 2012 at 2:59 pm
(September 18, 2012 at 11:32 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: In John it's not all that clear that Jesus was actually baptised by him. So?
Quote:The two things I quoted from the cross are arguably mutually exclusive. How can Jesus be clueless as to why God has abandoned him and then the next minute he says 'it is finished' like he knew what was happening all along?
Haven't you ever cried out of desperation? Even if you know why? pure broken heart desperation demands a recokening. In that moment Christ was seperated from God. (Hell) If you were sent to Hell would you want to know why, even though you lived your life in such a way as to not need to ask that question? Once you are there, their will be a point when you accept it. "It is Finished."
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RE: God approves of evolution
September 19, 2012 at 3:04 pm
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Went to hell in that moment did he, fucker gets around for a guy nailed to board. Guess they should have put a few extra in his neck...just to be sure. Ah the bewildering avalanche of miracles required to explain a one liner. Makes the whole thing just that much more believable. 
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RE: God approves of evolution
September 19, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Drich Wrote:Haven't you ever cried out of desperation? Even if you know why? pure broken heart desperation demands a recokening. In that moment Christ was seperated from God. (Hell) If you were sent to Hell would you want to know why, even though you lived your life in such a way as to not need to ask that question? Once you are there, their will be a point when you accept it. "It is Finished." If Jesus was a Trinity Man in Mark then there might be something to it. But it seems like Jesus just doesn't know any better in Mark. How is that possible if he supposedly sent himself?
Can you see that the more reasonable explanation is that 'John' took it just a little too far?
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RE: God approves of evolution
September 19, 2012 at 11:33 pm
(September 19, 2012 at 8:12 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Drich Wrote:Haven't you ever cried out of desperation? Even if you know why? pure broken heart desperation demands a recokening. In that moment Christ was seperated from God. (Hell) If you were sent to Hell would you want to know why, even though you lived your life in such a way as to not need to ask that question? Once you are there, their will be a point when you accept it. "It is Finished." If Jesus was a Trinity Man in Mark then there might be something to it. But it seems like Jesus just doesn't know any better in Mark. How is that possible if he supposedly sent himself?
Can you see that the more reasonable explanation is that 'John' took it just a little too far?
Not sure what you mean?
Jesus sent Himself where in mark?
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RE: God approves of evolution
September 19, 2012 at 11:42 pm
(September 19, 2012 at 11:33 pm)Drich Wrote: (September 19, 2012 at 8:12 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: If Jesus was a Trinity Man in Mark then there might be something to it. But it seems like Jesus just doesn't know any better in Mark. How is that possible if he supposedly sent himself?
Can you see that the more reasonable explanation is that 'John' took it just a little too far?
Not sure what you mean?
Jesus sent Himself where in mark?
To earth, to accomplish what was now supposedly 'finished' in John.
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RE: God approves of evolution
September 20, 2012 at 10:48 am
(September 19, 2012 at 11:42 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: (September 19, 2012 at 11:33 pm)Drich Wrote: Not sure what you mean?
Jesus sent Himself where in mark?
To earth, to accomplish what was now supposedly 'finished' in John.
John was a deciple of Christ wouldn't stand to reason that John had more insight than Mark a deciple of Paul? Paul and John were two different men with two different focal points when it came to their minstries. John Taught a slight different view of Christ because he saw Christ and the importanc/focous of His work here as slightly different that Peter/Mark may have.
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RE: God approves of evolution
September 20, 2012 at 11:07 am
(September 20, 2012 at 10:48 am)Drich Wrote: (September 19, 2012 at 11:42 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: To earth, to accomplish what was now supposedly 'finished' in John.
John was a deciple of Christ wouldn't stand to reason that John had more insight than Mark a deciple of Paul? Paul and John were two different men with two different focal points when it came to their minstries. John Taught a slight different view of Christ because he saw Christ and the importanc/focous of His work here as slightly different that Peter/Mark may have.
So the juciest Gospel of them all (and very reliable in your opinion) just happens to have been written after the other 3. Hmm... Genuine account by 'John' or rumours gone wild?
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RE: God approves of evolution
September 20, 2012 at 11:24 am
(September 20, 2012 at 11:07 am)FallentoReason Wrote: (September 20, 2012 at 10:48 am)Drich Wrote: John was a deciple of Christ wouldn't stand to reason that John had more insight than Mark a deciple of Paul? Paul and John were two different men with two different focal points when it came to their minstries. John Taught a slight different view of Christ because he saw Christ and the importanc/focous of His work here as slightly different that Peter/Mark may have.
So the juciest Gospel of them all (and very reliable in your opinion) just happens to have been written after the other 3. Hmm... Genuine account by 'John' or rumours gone wild?
How where the 'gospels' distributed after they were written? Who had access to them? Can you show that John did? Can you show that he didn't? Can you show anything one way or another or are you simply guessing again, based off your personal feelings?
You are aware that just because a document existed in that time it was not distributed throughout the churches right?
for example a letter written by Mark would have most likly been distributed and circulated throughout the established churches Peter set up. The same would be true with John, he and his deciples would have a string of churches, Matthew his people had theirs and Luke/Paul work together. Just because a litteray work existed did not mean a later one was hand copied. the church you know or anything like it did not exist till 300 or so years later. Which was the reason for some many gospel accounts in the first place.
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RE: God approves of evolution
September 20, 2012 at 12:00 pm
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(September 20, 2012 at 11:24 am)Drich Wrote: How where the 'gospels' distributed after they were written? Who had access to them? Can you show that John did? Can you show that he didn't? Can you show anything one way or another or are you simply guessing again, based off your personal feelings? The irony...it buuuuuurns...! That's an unimpressive list of guesses (based on your personal feelings) that you followed that comment up with btw. 
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RE: God approves of evolution
September 20, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Quote:God approves of evolution
But evolution does not give a flying fuck about "god."
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