Hare Krishna

[Akincana Krishna dasa]

You started out by behaving as if all atheists say that, on top of assuming that atheism has something to with "something coming from nothing," which no theory ever said. You can't call bullshit until you stop spewing it. You might think I'm snarky, but I'm being honest. Your evidence it not evidence. Your complaints against atheism thusfar have had naught to do with atheism. Being absolutely frank, you have nothing but shallow rhetoric, yet you busted in the door like a hyped up Kool-aid man claiming that you were going to blow people's minds. I reiterate: Read about the Big Bang Theory before you try to claim it has something to do with everything coming from nothing (even a brief read will show you otherwise). Separate existential crises from atheism. Realize that antitheism and atheism are different. Simmer down on the ignoring points because you don't like the delivery. Then . . . discuss.

I haven't offered you any evidence for anything, nor have I claimed to. I feel like I've hardly said anything, but that you've already taken any small thing in a really bad way.

I really think you took my "blow your mind" comment way too seriously. It was a joke. I promise, I'm not going to blow your mind. You're obviously really smart - you've got links to child abuse cases in my religion and everything.

Often, it seems like atheists only get to debate with fanatical Christians, who have a weird book and a lot of weird ideas to try to defend. At least, that's most of what I can find on youtube. Most of the default religion-is-so-stupid stuff comes from people disgusted with Christianity.

I got saved from the Bible, though, so maybe that's a little more fun for you people, I don't know.

I'm happy to get to know you and stuff. Sorry my questions offended you so badly and make you think I'm so horrible, right from the start.

I do know the Big Bang theory doesn't claim something comes from nothing. But in that case, I still think there are troublesome gaps in theorizing a godless universe. Please, teach me I'm wrong.

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His feelings that your feelings are special are special...and therefore invalid? You just used the same argument you said was invalid to invalidate itself. New idea: ignore all special feelings and just look at the actual evidence.

They might be completely valid. And the flying spaghetti monster might exist. The point is, he has no evidence that there is no God and that all religious experience is fake.

[Shell B]

I haven't offered you any evidence for anything, nor have I claimed to. I feel like I've hardly said anything, but that you've already taken any small thing in a really bad way.

You claimed that God existed.

You're obviously really smart - you've got links to child abuse cases in my religion and everything.

Well, at least you know how to do sarcasm.

Often, it seems like atheists only get to debate with fanatical Christians, who have a weird book and a lot of weird ideas to try to defend. At least, that's most of what I can find on youtube. Most of the default religion-is-so-stupid stuff comes from people disgusted with Christianity.

Often, things are not what they seem. Do you know every teenager in the world because you saw a few on youtube? Are the Christians on youtube representative of Christianity as a hole? I debate with other atheists and disagree with them all the time. In fact, I know some atheists who are seriously fucking stupid. I know some Christians who are brilliant and sweet. You are talking about antitheism. That is not atheism.

I got saved from the Bible, though, so maybe that's a little more fun for you people, I don't know.

Urg. "You people." You just drew a line. Way to go.

I'm happy to get to know you and stuff. Sorry my questions offended you so badly and make you think I'm so horrible, right from the start.

You didn't. I just come off as a bitch. You'll either get used to it or hate me. Either way, I'm too old to change and it's one of the few things I like about myself.

I do know the Big Bang theory doesn't claim something comes from nothing.

That's not what you said, though.

But in that case, I still think there are troublesome gaps in theorizing a godless universe. Please, teach me I'm wrong.

First, please explain how a god universe gets rid of those gaps. You said that something can't come from nothing, but that is what Creationism is. God creating something out of nothing, yes?

[IATIA]

I do know the Big Bang theory doesn't claim something comes from nothing. But in that case, I still think there are troublesome gaps in theorizing a godless universe. Please, teach me I'm wrong.

We have energy that just is or we have an intelligent energy that just is. Which makes more sense?

[Akincana Krishna dasa]

I haven't offered you any evidence for anything, nor have I claimed to. I feel like I've hardly said anything, but that you've already taken any small thing in a really bad way.

You claimed that God existed.

You're obviously really smart - you've got links to child abuse cases in my religion and everything.

Well, at least you know how to do sarcasm.

Often, it seems like atheists only get to debate with fanatical Christians, who have a weird book and a lot of weird ideas to try to defend. At least, that's most of what I can find on youtube. Most of the default religion-is-so-stupid stuff comes from people disgusted with Christianity.

Often, things are not what they seem. Do you know every teenager in the world because you saw a few on youtube? Are the Christians on youtube representative of Christianity as a hole? I debate with other atheists and disagree with them all the time. In fact, I know some atheists who are seriously fucking stupid. I know some Christians who are brilliant and sweet. You are talking about antitheism. That is not atheism.

I got saved from the Bible, though, so maybe that's a little more fun for you people, I don't know.

Urg. "You people." You just drew a line. Way to go.

I'm happy to get to know you and stuff. Sorry my questions offended you so badly and make you think I'm so horrible, right from the start.

You didn't. I just come off as a bitch. You'll either get used to it or hate me. Either way, I'm too old to change and it's one of the few things I like about myself.

I do know the Big Bang theory doesn't claim something comes from nothing.

That's not what you said, though.

But in that case, I still think there are troublesome gaps in theorizing a godless universe. Please, teach me I'm wrong.

First, please explain how a god universe gets rid of those gaps. You said that something can't come from nothing, but that is what Creationism is. God creating something out of nothing, yes?

I said I believe God exists, that I'm a theist. I hadn't given my evidence for God's existence.

When I said "you people" I meant people on this "Atheists Forum." I wasn't trying to imply everyone here is the same, with the same ideas. Please try to give me the benefit of the doubt, at least a little bit.

I already got used to the fact that come across as a bitch. I'm already over it, and don't hold it against you.

I didn't bring up the term "Big Bang theory." You did. I mentioned that I think it's difficult to figure out why anything exists at all - and I think that goes for both a godless universe and a universe based on God. In other words, it's problem however you look at it. I don't think it's a simple obvious point that anyone can easily explain away.

Although, please, change my mind about that.

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I do know the Big Bang theory doesn't claim something comes from nothing. But in that case, I still think there are troublesome gaps in theorizing a godless universe. Please, teach me I'm wrong.

We have energy that just is or we have an intelligent energy that just is. Which makes more sense?

Great comment. In the case of having dumb energy that just is, how do you get consciousness? Like how does dumb matter and energy become human consciousness?

[Kayenneh]

Like how does dumb matter and energy become human consciousness?

You know, chemistry is fun that way, input atoms in a certain order and you get neat results.

[Akincana Krishna dasa]

Like how does dumb matter and energy become human consciousness?

You know, chemistry is fun that way, input atoms in a certain order and you get neat results.

Cool theory with zero proof.

Maybe with the right atoms you can bring my grandmother back to life. She was so cool.

[Kayenneh]

You just asked for human consciousnesses on the whole, and if you say that or brain and neural system isn't a part of it, then you are a fool. Besides, even if you did manage to get the molecular blueprint of your grandmother and put it back together, you still wouldn't be able to replicate her life and the surroundings she had around her that formed what she was personally.

[Akincana Krishna dasa]

You don't have to replicate her surroundings or anything like that. I was thinking maybe we could just dig her up and you could make whatever chemical adjustment needed to be made to make her alive again.

We're working on the premise that life is a product of dumb energy, right? So when someone dies, there's just been some type of chemical reaction. Someone should be able to reverse that, right?

Humans are advanced creatures, though, I agree.

Ok, forget my grandmother. Maybe you could just make any simple living thing. Maybe a flower or an ant. Can anyone do that? Can anyone create one grain of rice out of dumb matter?

If life is just a combination of stuff on the periodic table of elements (dumb matter), why can't anyone create life? Or stop old age and death? Or bring dead people back to life?

[Shell B]

Why do you think any matter is dumb? Even the tiniest particles contain everything they need to do amazing things. You might think a virus is dumb, but it contains DNA or RNA that can change human evolution! You can't even view it with a typical microscope.

Now, if you are going to call little bits of matter dumb, then yes, we can "create" things out of "dumb matter." Ever heard of cloning? If that is not enough for you, don't worry. It's not enough for me, either. Still beats the immortal magician theory.

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If life is just a combination of stuff on the periodic table of elements (dumb matter), why can't anyone create life? Or stop old age and death? Or bring dead people back to life?

Ah, I see. You think elements are dumb. Well, we can slow old age and death. Doctors stop death all the time. Bringing dead people back to life . . well, that's a dumb one. Sorry. Dead is dead. If it makes you feel better, God doesn't bring people back to life, either.

The thing of it is, you expect people to do in a few years what nature has done over millions of them. That's a little unfair. Surely illogical. You think that not being able to create life after only a few decades or centuries of serious medical advances, thanks to tools like microscopes and lasers, we should have to create life to prove that God does not exist? Give us a few million years and watch what happens.

The bottom line is that, like other believers in the Biblical God, you are asking the wrong questions. Too often these questions reveal an ignorance of the subject matter or a blatant dismissal of obvious facts, such as the difference between a few hundred or even a few thousand years and hundreds of millions of years.

[Darkstar]

Let's put it simply, if you can find some piece of the human body that is not 'dumb' matter (i.e. not any element, molecule composed of elements, or subatomic particle) then you may be onto something. So far, no 'spirit' has ever been detected.