How is Yahweh not immoral?

[Aractus]

Zen, since I haven't proved to you yet that Jesus ever existed, the discussion between you and I is moot isn't it?

[KichigaiNeko]

There is no evidence that your godboy EVER existed so you will have a VERY hard time PROVING the existence of a fairy tale.

Silly Daniel.

[Zen Badger]

Zen, since I haven't proved to you yet that Jesus ever existed, the discussion between you and I is moot isn't it?

And you never shall.

But don't feel bad about it mate. You are not the first to fail at this simple task.

[Aractus]

^Zen I'm not interested in proving that to you buddy, sorry. There's more than sufficient evidence that Joshua waked the earth in the flesh and was crucified, and if you don't think so that's your own stubborn opinion.

[Zen Badger]

^Zen I'm not interested in proving that to you buddy, sorry. There's more than sufficient evidence that Joshua waked the earth in the flesh and was crucified, and if you don't think so that's your own stubborn opinion.

No there isn't

Your "saviour" is a fabrication.

[Aractus]

Then who fabricated him?

[Zen Badger]

Catholic church at a first guess. Probably Constantine.

[Rev. Rye]

^Zen I'm not interested in proving that to you buddy, sorry. There's more than sufficient evidence that Joshua waked the earth in the flesh and was crucified, and if you don't think so that's your own stubborn opinion.

But that doesn't mean he was God. Even if the evidence for someone whose life roughly corresponded with the accounts in the Gospel, that's still no guarantee that he's God. Remember that people (even centuries after his birth) claimed that Alexander the Great was also literally the son of a God.

Also, for deficiencies in Jesus' moral character, look no further than Hell; it gets introduced in the Gospels; it hinges on eternal punishment for finite sins. That's flagrantly unjust and immoral.

[Aractus]

Fabricated in the FOURTH century! Go back to the drawing board mate!

What would the purpose be of fabricating Jesus in the fourth century??

Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilate, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, and the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed by the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.
Nero offered his gardens for the spectacle, and was exhibiting a show in the circus, while he mingled with the people in the dress of a a charioteer or stood aloft on a car. Hence, even for criminals who deserved extreme and exemplary punishment, there arose a feeling of compassion; for it was not it seemed, for the public good, but to glut one man's cruelty, that they were being destroyed.

Tacitus AD 64
The Annals, XV: 44


So who were the Christians following for the first three centuries before Christ was fabricated?

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But that doesn't mean he was God. Even if the evidence for someone whose life roughly corresponded with the accounts in the Gospel, that's still no guarantee that he's God. Remember that people (even centuries after his birth) claimed that Alexander the Great was also literally the son of a God.

All Greek rules were "gods". None of the previous Biblical prophets were "gods".

[The Grand Nudger]

Who were the followers of this so-called "Zues" following for all their time on this rock? What god did the cargo cultists of the last century interact with that led them to their faith? Categorical fail. Even you would contend that people have faiths or beliefs that are not tied to any actual god or god-man. Christ, conveniently, gets a pass....yet again.

The existence of christians in no way establishes the existence of christ - unless you are willing to concede that the existence of people of any other faith establishes the existence of their deities and god-men in equal measure. Are you ready to swallow that pill?