Questions for both sides.

[KichigaiNeko]

I noticed a lot of people saying theres no organised group of atheists with a global presence which i dont understand, this forum is an organised group of mainly atheists, and it isnt hard to establish a global presense if you take into consideration the internet is global, the atheist experience people are a group of atheists who are organised enough to establish a tv show and theyre on youtube

No we are NOT organised (like a religious group) and yes we are here.

Depends on what you mean by "global presence"

I think you are stretching things a bit paulpablo

atheists are more like cats, just as hard to tame and organise and also alot like a Guerrilla army, worse than the Al-Qaeda or any other...



Atheists have been here longer.

[Kayenneh]

I noticed a lot of people saying theres no organised group of atheists with a global presence which i dont understand, this forum is an organised group of mainly atheists, and it isnt hard to establish a global presense if you take into consideration the internet is global, the atheist experience people are a group of atheists who are organised enough to establish a tv show and theyre on youtube

We come together as atheists, but our similarities ends there. It's not much of an organized group to say: "You don't believe in gods? No? Well me neither." To be an organization of any kind you need to have a purpose, ideology and we lack that. Even A+ can't really say that they come together as atheists, they are radical feminists, who just happen to have the same view on gods.

[Something completely different]

I noticed a lot of people saying theres no organised group of atheists with a global presence which i dont understand, this forum is an organised group of mainly atheists, and it isnt hard to establish a global presense if you take into consideration the internet is global, the atheist experience people are a group of atheists who are organised enough to establish a tv show and theyre on youtube

I use to be on a forum for people who like to cook asian food.


An evil, well organised, global organisation, determined to force everyone to eat rice with soja sauce.

Based on a bavarian server.

[Nine]

Yeah keyword is organised.

[Jackalope]

Yeah keyword is organised.

Indeed. You may as well try to herd cats.

[paulpablo]

1. Is there an organized group of atheists that has a global presence?


I think it just seems like im stretching my imagination to answer this because the question is so vague people have made assumptions about what the definitions of global presence and organised group are.
I look at the question like this, is there an organized group of atheists? id say so. Do they have a global presence? it depends how you define global presence but since i cant even imagine that any organized group out there has a literal global presence im guessing its not a literal term and you mean an organized group that has a presence in one form or another in various countries over the globe. So the answer to the second part would also be yes.
But ill just for the sake of the thread say i took the question too literally and the question does mean is there a global atheist organization that is like a religion. The answer is definitely not.
It would be pretty interesting to see an aggressive atheist society though, i imagine they would say stuff to their kids like "dont be imagining any gods while your out playing today" and "you better have a scientific explanation for that claim you just made"

[frankiej]

Well, I guess questions 1 and 3 have been answered to death here and 2 seems more of a personal question, so I shall answer that one.

2. For what reason do you go about and try to disprove the beliefs of the theists?

I don't... I don't give a shit what anyone else believes.

Wow... that was difficult.

[Brian37]

Atheists: I have three questions.
1. Is there an organized group of atheists that has a global presence?
2. For what reason do you go about and try to disprove the beliefs of the theists?
3. Isn't the belief/knowledge that there is without a doubt no God/gods also faith based? ( I don't just mean the Christian God, but the existence of higher beings in general, and please don't bring up the stupid flying spaghetti monster argument).

Christians:
1. How can there be a God who knows everything, loves everyone, and is all powerful yet still allows people to hell.
2. If any of the three descriptions of God I mentioned are false, can you give me Biblical references?
3. Are there any new testament Biblical references that are anti-gay besides the ones found in Paul's letters?

Actual attempts at answers instead of the stereotypical back and forth bickering please and thank you.

1. Atheist Alliance International

2. We cant end religion globally anymore than Muslims or Christians can take over the world. But once you know the earth is not flat and the moon is not made of cheese, I think it is important to face others with that reality. And, religion is inherently tribal and does have global impact on politics, so since religious people vote, and or run countries, I'd be stupid not to keep an eye on all of it.

3. No, atheist is not anti-glass just an empty glass. Do you need "faith" to reject claims of unicorns or snarfwigets?

[Simon Moon]

Atheists: I have three questions.
1. Is there an organized group of atheists that has a global presence?

None that i am aware of.

2. For what reason do you go about and try to disprove the beliefs of the theists?

I believe if the majority of people based their decisions on demonstrable evidence and reasoned argument, instead of superstitious, barbaric Bronze and Iron Age mythologies, the world would be a better place.

On a more personal note, I grew up in an extended family where most family get-togethers would break out in debates on various subjects. They could be heated, but not angry. I enjoy debates.

3. Isn't the belief/knowledge that there is without a doubt no God/gods also faith based? ( I don't just mean the Christian God, but the existence of higher beings in general, and please don't bring up the stupid flying spaghetti monster argument).

Most atheists don't claim to know, with absolute certainty, that there is no god(s). Atheism, in general, is the absence of BELIEF in the existence of a god.

For most atheists, atheism is a provisional position. As long as there continues to be insufficient demonstrable evidence, reasoned argument, and valid logic to support the claim that a god exists, my atheism will continue.

There is no faith required in rejecting a claim for which there is insufficient supporting demonstrable evidence and reasoned argument.

Actually, the FSM (or Russell's 'Flying Teapot' or the 'Invisible Pink Unicorn') are not stupid arguments, if you understand the point they are making.

[Mister Agenda]

Atheists: I have three questions.
1. Is there an organized group of atheists that has a global presence?

Not that I'm aware of.

2. For what reason do you go about and try to disprove the beliefs of the theists?

For what reason do you think we 'go about' and try to disprove the beliefs of the theists? For the most part we're minding our own business when a theist turns up thinking they've got some killer new argument we've never heard before, which we then dissect, because bad ideas exist to be destroyed. Their beliefs are their own business, their arguments are everybody's. And for some reason, it's only in this specific sphere where it's considered peculiar that someone would point out flaws in reasoning. No one asks Democrats why they try to disprove the beliefs of Republicans. And besides, we tried being silent and invisible, and Christian fundamentalists took over a major political party, with the result that the USA is less secular now than it was 100 years ago. Clearly silence isn't an effective strategy for protecting one's rights.

3. Isn't the belief/knowledge that there is without a doubt no God/gods also faith based? ( I don't just mean the Christian God, but the existence of higher beings in general, and please don't bring up the stupid flying spaghetti monster argument).

I suppose, but atheists are no more required to be without doubt than theists are. I don't know without a doubt that leprechauns don't exist, but I don't believe they do. A socially-savvy person, btw, would realize that the best way to get the FSM argument brought up is to forbid its employment. It wouldn't have occurred to me had you not brought it up. Please explain exactly why you conclude that it's so stupid it should not be brought up.

Actual attempts at answers instead of the stereotypical back and forth bickering please and thank you.

The best way to to avoid bickering is to not start it. You're walking an edge. So far you're coming off as a bigot whose already made up his or her mind what our responses are going to be like. I really want to be able to presume good will on your part, but you're making it difficult with your presumption that you get to dictate the course and nature of the discussion. It's that sort of thing that leads to bickering.