Help me debunk this "sun miracle"

[Brian37]

It fails as soon as the word "miracle" is used. Camera trickery and human trickery is the only natural thing going on. The ability to con others and be conned. It is the difference between the "magician" who lies and claims what he is doing is real, and the "magician" who rightfully calls themselves illusionists.

It is sad that people go to all sorts of horror movies, si fi movies, and thrillers with all sorts of special affects and cant understand why skeptics would call their religious crap just that, crap.

There is nothing to "debunk". Not knowing how to saw the woman in half doesn't mean the trick is real and the woman is really literally being sawed in half. Crap like this when people fall for it still amounts to "If you want to believe crap badly enough, you will".

[SwedishAtheist]

It fails as soon as the word "miracle" is used. Camera trickery and human trickery is the only natural thing going on. The ability to con others and be conned. It is the difference between the "magician" who lies and claims what he is doing is real, and the "magician" who rightfully calls themselves illusionists.

It is sad that people go to all sorts of horror movies, si fi movies, and thrillers with all sorts of special affects and cant understand why skeptics would call their religious crap just that, crap.

There is nothing to "debunk". Not knowing how to saw the woman in half doesn't mean the trick is real and the woman is really literally being sawed in half. Crap like this when people fall for it still amounts to "If you want to believe crap badly enough, you will".

I dont want to believe this crap and I dont do it.

The only thing that makes me wonder is the rather authentic "woman cry" at the exact same time as the sun flickering begins.

Any thoughts about that?

[Brian37]

It fails as soon as the word "miracle" is used. Camera trickery and human trickery is the only natural thing going on. The ability to con others and be conned. It is the difference between the "magician" who lies and claims what he is doing is real, and the "magician" who rightfully calls themselves illusionists.

It is sad that people go to all sorts of horror movies, si fi movies, and thrillers with all sorts of special affects and cant understand why skeptics would call their religious crap just that, crap.

There is nothing to "debunk". Not knowing how to saw the woman in half doesn't mean the trick is real and the woman is really literally being sawed in half. Crap like this when people fall for it still amounts to "If you want to believe crap badly enough, you will".

I dont want to believe this crap and I dont do it.

The only thing that makes me wonder is the rather authentic "woman cry" at the exact same time as the sun flickering begins.

Any thoughts about that?

Faking it, or having a delusional reaction to a natural event. Still bullshit to claim this was anything other than a woman falling for or part of a con.

People fall for and coddle all sorts of superstitious crap. Other people think vampires are real and others think Ouija Boards work, and others still think the moon landing was faked.

[SwedishAtheist]

I dont want to believe this crap and I dont do it.

The only thing that makes me wonder is the rather authentic "woman cry" at the exact same time as the sun flickering begins.

Any thoughts about that?

Faking it, or having a delusional reaction to a natural event. Still bullshit to claim this was anything other than a woman falling for or part of a con.

People fall for and coddle all sorts of superstitious crap. Other people think vampires are real and others think Ouija Boards work, and others still think the moon landing was faked.

I guess you are right. But do you know what "cry" I'm reffering to? It's at the 2:35 mark of the video. It gives me the creeps.

My guesses is:
The woman is part of a con
It's just a coinsidence that she "cry" at the exact same time.

I'm not really sure anyway what I'm hearing at the 2:35 mark, but I watched it over and over again and it's happening at the exact same time as the sunflickering occurs.

[Baalzebutt]

I guess you are right. But do you know what "cry" I'm reffering to? It's at the 2:35 mark of the video. It gives me the creeps.

My guesses is:
The woman is part of a con
It's just a coinsidence that she "cry" at the exact same time.

I'm not really sure anyway what I'm hearing at the 2:35 mark, but I watched it over and over again and it's happening at the exact same time as the sunflickering occurs.

No swedish, you are right. I was an authentic cry. The sun was actually flashing (but the rest of the hemisphere failed to notice), the clouds were doing weird things and real rose petals fell from the sky.

It was a genuine miracle caught on tape.

Now what?

[Brian37]

Faking it, or having a delusional reaction to a natural event. Still bullshit to claim this was anything other than a woman falling for or part of a con.

People fall for and coddle all sorts of superstitious crap. Other people think vampires are real and others think Ouija Boards work, and others still think the moon landing was faked.

I guess you are right. But do you know what "cry" I'm reffering to? It's at the 2:35 mark of the video. It gives me the creeps.

My guesses is:
The woman is part of a con
It's just a coinsidence that she "cry" at the exact same time.

I'm not really sure anyway what I'm hearing at the 2:35 mark, but I watched it over and over again and it's happening at the exact same time as the sunflickering occurs.

Getting "creeped out" on your part is actually a quite normal part of evolution. It is part of our fight or flight evolution. If we didn't evolve to react either way to anything we wouldn't have evolved.

But all that is your prior mental data input over a lifetime. Sounds, events, smells colors, movies, media, myths and stories you were told as a kid. All those shape your reactions without knowing it.

I think you should stop allowing yourself to focus so much on such a quite mundane event. Ultimately there is no magic or god involved, so it is merely you and your reaction to it.

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We are only open 1 night a week where I work. I sometimes still get creeped out being at work at night alone with the lights down because we are closed, a deserted street outside. Not because of anything super natural. My "creeped out" feeling is more along the lines of "what if someone comes in here and tries to rob me".

[Kayenneh]

Well, if you absolutely must know, I haven't always been atheist.

Neither have I. It's also true for many others on this forum.

I have non or very little "skeptical" thinking, and I try to better it by asking you guys how to think in these situations.

Thinking isn't something one can learn. You either do it or you don't. Sure, you can come to conclusions according to someone else's thought pattern, but if you don't understand how you got there,
it sort of defeats the purpose.

I have several psychical ilnesses and one of them is little paranoia.

Join the club. I don't know if anyone on here is truly sane

I guess I want someone to hold my hand and say that everything will be alright.

Alright how? The only thing I can say for sure is that we all will eventually die. Everything else is unknowable.

Besides, there is not much information of these miracles anywhere on the web and I just need to get things like this debunked for my own good.

No wonder (pardon the pun), it's because shit like this is total bogus.

[SwedishAtheist]

I guess you are right. But do you know what "cry" I'm reffering to? It's at the 2:35 mark of the video. It gives me the creeps.

My guesses is:
The woman is part of a con
It's just a coinsidence that she "cry" at the exact same time.

I'm not really sure anyway what I'm hearing at the 2:35 mark, but I watched it over and over again and it's happening at the exact same time as the sunflickering occurs.

Getting "creeped out" on your part is actually a quite normal part of evolution. It is part of our fight or flight evolution. If we didn't evolve to react either way to anything we wouldn't have evolved.

But all that is your prior mental data input over a lifetime. Sounds, events, smells colors, movies, media, myths and stories you were told as a kid. All those shape your reactions without knowing it.

I think you should stop allowing yourself to focus so much on such a quite mundane event. Ultimately there is no magic or god involved, so it is merely you and your reaction to it.

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We are only open 1 night a week where I work. I sometimes still get creeped out being at work at night alone with the lights down because we are closed, a deserted street outside. Not because of anything super natural. My "creeped out" feeling is more along the lines of "what if someone comes in here and tries to rob me".

I hear you, my mental status isn't the best one, but hey we are who we are.

I know that I won't relax until I get an answer for why the fuck the scream occurs at the exact same time. Or is it really a scream?

Thanks for actually trying to help anyway, your answers means more to me than you could imagine!

[Brian37]

Getting "creeped out" on your part is actually a quite normal part of evolution. It is part of our fight or flight evolution. If we didn't evolve to react either way to anything we wouldn't have evolved.

But all that is your prior mental data input over a lifetime. Sounds, events, smells colors, movies, media, myths and stories you were told as a kid. All those shape your reactions without knowing it.

I think you should stop allowing yourself to focus so much on such a quite mundane event. Ultimately there is no magic or god involved, so it is merely you and your reaction to it.

---

We are only open 1 night a week where I work. I sometimes still get creeped out being at work at night alone with the lights down because we are closed, a deserted street outside. Not because of anything super natural. My "creeped out" feeling is more along the lines of "what if someone comes in here and tries to rob me".

I hear you, my mental status isn't the best one, but hey we are who we are.

I know that I won't relax until I get an answer for why the fuck the scream occurs at the exact same time. Or is it really a scream?

Thanks for actually trying to help anyway, your answers means more to me than you could imagine!

If you accept it isn't a "miracle" then you are really doing nothing but wasting your time dwelling on it. No magic, superstition, or god involved.

[Simon Moon]

Well, if you absolutely must know, I haven't always been atheist. I have non or very little "skeptical" thinking, and I try to better it by asking you guys how to think in these situations. I have several psychical ilnesses and one of them is little paranoia.

I would highly recommend that you read the book "The Demon Haunted World" by Carl Sagan, or "Why People Believe Weird Things" by Michael Shermer.

These books will give you the critical thinking tools that will enable you to examine outrageous claims like those made in this video with a skeptical mind.