Conflicting statements in the bible

[Statler Waldorf]

Biblical morality is no less arbitrary than any other form. Even if we were generous enough to give the fiction credit as being more than that, the Bible merely reflects one being's opinions on what is moral and what is not, and the justification for his opinions is only that he holds them. Arbitrary morality is all that exists in reality, whether you believe in God or not.

Nope, God’s character is the immutable standard of morality, that’s not arbitrary from man’s perspective at all.

It would be, according to Christianity, as the elimination of Jews was a Christian moral imperative for centuries.

Nope, Biblical morality is not defined as “anything Christians choose to do”. However, according to your atheistic morality the Holocaust was moral progress; how does that make you feel?

[Foxaèr]

Nope, God’s character is the immutable standard of morality.

Then to be more like God, we should all drown our children when they misbehave.

[Minimalist]

Here....if you are going to argue with Waldork you'll need a bottle of this.

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Everything you posted was utterly irrelevant to what we were discussing, try to keep up.

If the day ever comes when I give a flying fuck what you think, you will be the first to know.


Don't hold your breath.

[Cato]

Nope, Biblical morality is not defined as “anything Christians choose to do”. However, according to your atheistic morality the Holocaust was moral progress; how does that make you feel?

So tell me, exactly how does it feel to make a joke that only Mel Gibson would laugh at?

[Ryantology]

Nope, God’s character is the immutable standard of morality, that’s not arbitrary from man’s perspective at all.

It is absolutely arbitrary, as is your assertion that God is the immutable standard of morality.

Nope, Biblical morality is not defined as “anything Christians choose to do”.

Biblical morality has never been anything except "anything Christians choose to do". And, the Bible has enough in it to justify any example you want of killing your enemies in the name of God.

However, according to your atheistic morality the Holocaust was moral progress; how does that make you feel?

My 'atheistic morality' does not permit the harm of any human being for any reason other than a person being a clear and immediate danger to myself or someone else.

The Holocaust was the ultimate expression of centuries of Christian hebrewphobia, carried out by Christian men and justified by long-held Christian prejudices as much as by a perversion of science and not opposed by any major Christian church.

[Statler Waldorf]

Then to be more like God, we should all drown our children when they misbehave.

God didn’t drown His children, Noah and his family were spared.

So tell me, exactly how does it feel to make a joke that only Mel Gibson would laugh at?

I didn’t make a joke; I reduced your position to absurdity. Your definition of morality defines the Holocaust as moral progress.

It is absolutely arbitrary, as is your assertion that God is the immutable standard of morality.

I do not think the word arbitrary means what you think it means. Morality that is rooted in God’s character is completely independent of man’s will and thoughts; therefore its objective and not arbitrary.

Biblical morality has never been anything except "anything Christians choose to do". And, the Bible has enough in it to justify any example you want of killing your enemies in the name of God.

Most of scripture pre-dates Christianity so your statement above is non-sense.

My 'atheistic morality' does not permit the harm of any human being for any reason other than a person being a clear and immediate danger to myself or someone else.

Adolf Hitler’s morality disagreed with yours, whose is right and why?

The Holocaust was the ultimate expression of centuries of Christian hebrewphobia, carried out by Christian men and justified by long-held Christian prejudices as much as by a perversion of science and not opposed by any major Christian church.

Proof?

[Foxaèr]

God didn’t drown His children, Noah and his family were spared.

Yes He did. He drowned everyone except them, and then they repopulated the Earth through incest for the second time around.

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Most of scripture pre-dates Christianity so your statement above is non-sense.

Not by much. Monotheism is still much younger than humanity.

[Statler Waldorf]

Yes He did. He drowned everyone except them, and then they repopulated the Earth through incest for the second time around.

Those drowned were not God’s children.

Not by much. Monotheism is still much younger than humanity.

Even if that were true it’d be irrelevant, the statement “Biblical morality has always been defined as anything Christians choose to do” is still absurd because the majority of the Bible pre-dates the first Christians.

[Psykhronic]

So if they're not God's children then it's alright to kill them? Is that the message of morality we can take from that story?

[Foxaèr]

Those drowned were not God’s children.

We're all God's children. Is that not what children are taught in Sunday school? You might want to reevaluate your arguments, because the shit you spew is just that.

Even if that were true it’d be irrelevant, the statement “Biblical morality has always been defined as anything Christians choose to do” is still absurd because the majority of the Bible pre-dates the first Christians.

Biblical morality does not predate humanity.