On the Sensus Divinitatis

[fr0d0]

@Esq: Some people choose immorality. Laws are a consensus. The ten commandments constitute what can be universally agreed, supposedly.

[FallentoReason]

I don't think I ever used the word "moral" in the OP.

You're talking about something altogether different to the sensus divinitatis which, as stated first by Calvin, gives us the sense to detect the divine.

Yes. I think that they're the same thing.

Morality might have been dictated to humanity by way of the sensus divinitatis, but I don't see what's so amazing about this. It still suffers from basically all of the problems as the sensus divinitatis since it allegedly derives from it, and this is evident; theists can't come to a conclusion about objective morals much like they can't come to a conclusion about the nature of god(s). A "moral sense" is simply a particular case of what the sensus divinitatis can allegedly do. It fails epically though.

[Esquilax]

@Esq: Some people choose immorality. Laws are a consensus. The ten commandments constitute what can be universally agreed, supposedly.

But that makes no sense, since people can and do choose to deny the commandments anyway. And wouldn't there be an even more comprehensive consensus about what constitutes morality if we're all born with an innate god given sense of what it is? Wouldn't that make the bible redundant, in that case?

Besides, if you're looking for an example of consensus, you couldn't have picked a worse one; people even today are in constant, omnidirectional disagreement as to their interpretation of the biblical commandments (I'm thinking of the whole kit and kaboodle, not just the big ten) to the point of fracturing into constantly smaller and more specific iterations of the religion. Frankly, a moral sense would be a much, much more effective method of consensus building.

[fr0d0]

a moral sense would be a much, much more effective method of consensus building.

This

Because we have the "God spot", we can discern what I'd properly moral.

[KichigaiNeko]

Not really fr0d0.

This "god spot" accommodates a wide range of religious feeling

[fr0d0]

Not in my understanding Kitchie.

[Esquilax]

Not in my understanding Kitchie.

You should try looking at a couple of different religions before stopping off at the Westboro Baptist Church. That'll... that'll illustrate the point pretty well, I think.

[FallentoReason]

Not in my understanding Kitchie.

I get the feeling I've objected to this... oh yeah, the OP that apparently went over your head!

[fr0d0]

Well, past your inflexible reading of the subject f, I'd agree. Snow problem of you don't wish to address that.

[FallentoReason]

Well, past your inflexible reading of the subject f, I'd agree. Snow problem of you don't wish to address that.

Please elaborate. How am I being inflexible? I could easily say within the scope of this thread you're being intolerant to the philosophical outcome thus far: my unchallenged OP. Are you then even justified in calling me inflexible? C'mon, let's actually get to the meat of this thing...