You're talking about a Christian doctrine, and you won't entertain what Christians tell you about it.
That's fine. Carry on with the naval gazing
That's fine. Carry on with the naval gazing
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On the Sensus Divinitatis
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H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe 
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould  (June 10, 2013 at 2:30 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You're talking about a Christian doctrine, and you won't entertain what Christians tell you about it. ...I'm being judged even before I've been given the chance of either entertaining a Christian's response or choosing to ignore it. Have you actually got any objections to the OP?? Stop jumping the gun otherwise! "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe
My objection is that it (the wikipedia article) missed the point. The point being the biblical reference Calvin bases his (common) assertion on, which I alluded to.
Go ahead and state your case. I'm just saying that the basis here is unfounded. (June 11, 2013 at 2:33 am)fr0d0 Wrote: My objection is that it (the wikipedia article) missed the point. The Wikipedia article didn't miss any point. It states it how it is; Calvin said there is a thing called the sensus divinitatis which gives us knowledge of the divine. I have objections. The result? The content of the OP. Quote:The point being the biblical reference Calvin bases his (common) assertion on, which I alluded to. Yes, and your remark, as I stated, was a specific case of what the sensus divinitatis would be capable of. Quote:Go ahead and state your case. I'm just saying that the basis here is unfounded. You're commenting on the thread where I've stated my case. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe
Your reactions in the op likewise miss the mark by not addressing the subject. The consensus of everyone, especially atheists as I see it is that we all have an ethical sense for example. Therefore universal support exists for Calvin's assertion.
(June 11, 2013 at 3:10 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Your reactions in the op likewise miss the mark by not addressing the subject. The consensus of everyone, especially atheists as I see it is that we all have an ethical sense for example. Therefore universal support exists for Calvin's assertion. Are you saying that mere morals prove the extra sense Calvin was talking about? "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe
I'm saying they are the sense.
(June 11, 2013 at 7:23 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I'm saying they are the sense. Funny how theists can't agree which god(s) is/are responsible for these morals. It's as if they're making it up on the spot. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: On the Sensus Divinitatis
June 11, 2013 at 1:52 pm
(This post was last modified: June 11, 2013 at 1:53 pm by fr0d0.)
You have that question ass backwards. If the (moral) sense is there and religions (I don't know of others that do) draw a logical conclusion from it, that's all they need to do.
Any system that valued morals would have to acknowledge what might be perfectly moral. Hence God. I've seen atheists champion secular morality. So they should see benefit in perfect morality and it's attainment. Ergo, they are naturally drawn to God.... Calvin's argument. |
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