Posts: 14259
Threads: 48
Joined: March 1, 2009
Reputation:
80
RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 16, 2013 at 2:34 am
(This post was last modified: July 16, 2013 at 2:34 am by fr0d0.)
Ugh Americans! The guy has so many failed prophesies... kinda condemns him. And I certainly believe what he says is contrary to Christianity, and is evil.
But that piece of shit says he's a Christian and makes Christian noises in between the bile. I'd still want to think of him as the devil incarnate rather than a brother in Christ.
But yeah, there you go.
Posts: 5389
Threads: 52
Joined: January 3, 2010
Reputation:
48
RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 16, 2013 at 5:36 am
(July 16, 2013 at 2:34 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Ugh Americans! The guy has so many failed prophesies... kinda condemns him. And I certainly believe what he says is contrary to Christianity, and is evil.
But that piece of shit says he's a Christian and makes Christian noises in between the bile. I'd still want to think of him as the devil incarnate rather than a brother in Christ.
But yeah, there you go.
And he will say that you're not a true Christian because you don't interpret the bible the same way as him.
So why should we believe you over him?
![[Image: mybannerglitter06eee094.gif]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i118.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fo112%2Fpussinboots_photos%2FBikes%2Fmybannerglitter06eee094.gif)
If you're not supposed to ride faster than your guardian angel can fly then mine had better get a bloody SR-71.
Posts: 11260
Threads: 61
Joined: January 5, 2013
Reputation:
123
RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 16, 2013 at 7:18 am
(July 15, 2013 at 8:52 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Actually is the other way around faith. The guys saying the bible isn't saying what it actually says bear the burden of stumping up some evidence.
Yes, our evidence is called "the words in it." You say that homophobia is not christian: The fucking bible disagrees.
Now stop being an obtuse, evasive dick and actually provide something of merit.
Quote:Look to yourself if you want to see who's calling "you're wrong".
Have you written anything over three sentences in the last few pages?
Have any of those sentences been worth the time it took to read them?
"YOU take the hard look in the mirror. You are everything that is wrong with this world. The only thing important to you, is you." - ronedee
Want to see more of my writing? Check out my (safe for work!) site, Unprotected Sects!
Posts: 2911
Threads: 11
Joined: July 20, 2012
Reputation:
16
RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 17, 2013 at 5:42 pm
(July 16, 2013 at 7:18 am)Esquilax Wrote: (July 15, 2013 at 8:52 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Actually is the other way around faith. The guys saying the bible isn't saying what it actually says bear the burden of stumping up some evidence.
Yes, our evidence is called "the words in it." You say that homophobia is not christian: The fucking bible disagrees.
Now stop being an obtuse, evasive dick and actually provide something of merit.
1.Jeremiah 8:8
“‘How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the Lord,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?
Posts: 6896
Threads: 89
Joined: January 13, 2013
Reputation:
116
RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 18, 2013 at 4:00 am
2nd Corinthians 11:3-4,
“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.”
The Law Stands according to Jesus
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19
“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)
“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19)
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
![[Image: tumblr_n1j4lmACk61qchtw3o1_500.gif]](https://66.media.tumblr.com/5fb74c6d16622fb3dbb358509c9aec03/tumblr_n1j4lmACk61qchtw3o1_500.gif)
Posts: 14259
Threads: 48
Joined: March 1, 2009
Reputation:
80
RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 18, 2013 at 4:15 am
Jesus interpreted the law correctly, not as it was misinterpreted previously.
Posts: 11260
Threads: 61
Joined: January 5, 2013
Reputation:
123
RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 18, 2013 at 4:23 am
(July 18, 2013 at 4:15 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Jesus interpreted the law correctly, not as it was misinterpreted previously.
Right, so homophobia is christian. Got it.
"YOU take the hard look in the mirror. You are everything that is wrong with this world. The only thing important to you, is you." - ronedee
Want to see more of my writing? Check out my (safe for work!) site, Unprotected Sects!
Posts: 66333
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation:
160
RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 18, 2013 at 9:12 am
(This post was last modified: July 18, 2013 at 9:17 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(July 18, 2013 at 4:15 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Jesus interpreted the law correctly, not as it was misinterpreted previously.
I think that such a claim would meet softer ears in the latter bits - as many would agree that other faiths (including the faith of origin for your own) "got it wrong". The bit that's gonna need more ass behind it is the first bit.
-
More generally,
IIRC, the character of jesus doesn't explicitly condone homosexuality - beyond a reference to all the other laws persisting.......but why do we assume that the author of the jesus narrative was even aware of -all- the laws...btw? Perhaps he was personally okay with teh gays and had simply never encountered the passage in question? In that context it's not so much a revision as an omission of ignorance/cultural mores.
This is purely speculative, of course. Mostly just pondering the narrative for what it is and tallying up a list of things that this would explain handily. Of course, it is just one possibility for why we might end up with a disconnect between two books in the same series of fanfic. I think it's more plausible as an explanation than an invocation of some god...god man..or godly laws and their correct interpretation, personally.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Posts: 2911
Threads: 11
Joined: July 20, 2012
Reputation:
16
RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 18, 2013 at 2:06 pm
(July 18, 2013 at 4:00 am)missluckie26 Wrote: 2nd Corinthians 11:3-4,
“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.”
The Law Stands according to Jesus
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19
“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)
“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19)
Are you turning into a literal fundementalist? Why should I accept your interpretation???
John 7:22-24
New International Version (NIV)
22 Yet, because Moses gave you circumcision (though actually it did not come from Moses, but from the patriarchs), you circumcise a boy on the Sabbath. 23 Now if a boy can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses may not be broken, why are you angry with me for healing a man’s whole body on the Sabbath? 24 Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly.”
I think it's pretty obvious for anyone with a basic understanding of English.
Moses' law is NOT God's law... 
Posts: 2921
Threads: 26
Joined: June 25, 2013
Reputation:
41
RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 18, 2013 at 2:36 pm
(July 17, 2013 at 5:42 pm)catfish Wrote: (July 16, 2013 at 7:18 am)Esquilax Wrote: Yes, our evidence is called "the words in it." You say that homophobia is not christian: The fucking bible disagrees.
Now stop being an obtuse, evasive dick and actually provide something of merit.
1.Jeremiah 8:8
“‘How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the Lord,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?
This proves the Bible is not reliable, for the scribes writing it down have tampered with the original words.
Or it was bullshit to begin with, so it wouldn't matter if the scriptures now said that Adam lived to be a centaur and Noah was the world's first astronaut.
|
