Why are Teachers Teaching?

[Darth]

a) He's arguing against government employed teachers, not teachers.
b) Most of the kids language, certainly the core foundation, is (should) be learnt well before the kid sees a teacher. If not, they are in serious trouble. Who taught him language? His parents most likely. And again, he's arguing against government employed teachers specifically.
c) Koolay's grammar is fine, one option for constructing a question from a declarative sentence (statement) in English is to simply add a question mark/rising intonation at the end. Another is to swap the subject and the auxillery verb around.
I can go to the store. --> I can go to the store? OR, Can I go to the store?
Their job is to teach children how to have a successful career --> Their job is to teach children how to have a successful career? OR, Is their job to teach children how to have a successful career?
Both are acceptable

[Something completely different]

lol

Campaing for abolishing your education system if you like.

The fact remains that the backbone which made german economic success possible is the state funded educational system which produces the best educated workforce in Europe, from chemists to engineers. So abolish your education system, but dont be supprised if in the future, you will be working as a toilet cleaner, if you will be working at all.

Government teachers for the most part are failed professionals, but their job is to teach children how to have a successful career? Does anyone see the problem with this?

With that line of thinking, I could bankroll a weightloss clinic ran by fat people.

Or a financial advice company ran by homeless.

Or a singing academy ran by people that got kicked off the first round of Pop Idol?

Isn't this the textbook definition of narcissism?

All of what you wrote is complete and utter garbage.
Teachers have to study pedagogics and the subject they want to teach in a teaching post curiculum (at least in Europe). Which means that teachers wanted to be teachers when they started studying and therefor are very well professionals.

This thoughtprocess of yours which assumes that teachers are "failed professionals" hence a chemistry teacher is someone who failed in studying chemistry, is merely proof of your own lack of education.

Now go away and annoy someone else with your nonsence, unless you are willing to accept when proven wrong and to learn.

[Waratah]

Government teachers for the most part are failed professionals, but their job is to teach children how to have a successful career? Does anyone see the problem with this?

Yes I see the problem. Your first sentence has a question mark and no question. Does that answer your 2nd question, I mean your 1st question?

Stue has pointed out my errors, thank you Stue. Sorry Koolay.

So to answer your 2nd question a 2nd time, yes I see problems with your first question. Your first premise I say is bullshit in my opinion. Your second premise is wrong because their job, government or not, is to teach the curriculum as far as I am aware(I was going to put, is it not, then question mark, but now I can save all that writing by just putting a question mark after aware. I have to say isn't english just so much fun, NOT.)?

Sort of off topic: Are premises still premises when you put a question mark at the end of a declarative statement?

[Koolay]

Yes I see the problem. Your first sentence has a question mark and no question. Does that answer your 2nd question, I mean your 1st question?

Stue has pointed out my errors, thank you Stue. Sorry Koolay.

So to answer your 2nd question a 2nd time, yes I see problems with your first question. Your first premise I say is bullshit in my opinion. Your second premise is wrong because their job, government or not, is to teach the curriculum as far as I am aware(I was going to put, is it not, then question mark, but now I can save all that writing by just putting a question mark after aware. I have to say isn't english just so much fun, NOT.)?

Sort of off topic: Are premises still premises when you put a question mark at the end of a declarative statement?

But when government compulsory schools were established, it's purpose was to indoctrinate children into accepting the religion and/or monarchy by teaching the children obedience to 'elders' or 'superiors'. To this day, it hasn't changed a bit, as government school is completely hierarchical and children are essentially political livestock for the ruling class.

[Waratah]

Stue has pointed out my errors, thank you Stue. Sorry Koolay.

So to answer your 2nd question a 2nd time, yes I see problems with your first question. Your first premise I say is bullshit in my opinion. Your second premise is wrong because their job, government or not, is to teach the curriculum as far as I am aware(I was going to put, is it not, then question mark, but now I can save all that writing by just putting a question mark after aware. I have to say isn't english just so much fun, NOT.)?

Sort of off topic: Are premises still premises when you put a question mark at the end of a declarative statement?

But when government compulsory schools were established, it's purpose was to indoctrinate children into accepting the religion and/or monarchy by teaching the children obedience to 'elders' or 'superiors'. To this day, it hasn't changed a bit, as government school is completely hierarchical and children are essentially political livestock for the ruling class.

What does the above have to do with this:

Government teachers for the most part are failed professionals, but their job is to teach children how to have a successful career?

I have heard of moving goal posts, but you have just changed fields.

[FlyingNarwhal]

But when government compulsory schools were established, it's purpose was to indoctrinate children into accepting the religion and/or monarchy by teaching the children obedience to 'elders' or 'superiors'. To this day, it hasn't changed a bit, as government school is completely hierarchical and children are essentially political livestock for the ruling class.

I agree with this but you have completely shifted from your original point. There are definitely a lot of things wrong with public education. I find it just as creepy to walk by a classroom and watch kids reciting the Pledge of Allegiance as a group of kids reciting Our Father. And a lot of the history of America that is taught in schools is greatly skewed to show the country in a better light. But if I had to take a guess, I would say we get about 80% education to 20% indoctrination. I would definitely like to see that 20% dwindle, but I'll take what I got for right now.

If you take a look at underdeveloped countries the main recurring theme is lack of public education. If you have educated people it means that they can get work out of a larger pool of jobs then someone who is uneducated. Essentially, Education = Jobs and Jobs = Developed Countries.

"The only thing more expensive than education is ignorance." -Benjamin Franklin

[Koolay]

But when government compulsory schools were established, it's purpose was to indoctrinate children into accepting the religion and/or monarchy by teaching the children obedience to 'elders' or 'superiors'. To this day, it hasn't changed a bit, as government school is completely hierarchical and children are essentially political livestock for the ruling class.

I agree with this but you have completely shifted from your original point. There are definitely a lot of things wrong with public education. I find it just as creepy to walk by a classroom and watch kids reciting the Pledge of Allegiance as a group of kids reciting Our Father. And a lot of the history of America that is taught in schools is greatly skewed to show the country in a better light. But if I had to take a guess, I would say we get about 80% education to 20% indoctrination. I would definitely like to see that 20% dwindle, but I'll take what I got for right now.

How do you separate education and indoctrination? where did you come up with those numbers?

Are you saying that it is morally correct to indoctrinate children as long as it is minimal?

[Fruity]

This is pointless.
Koolay Wrote:

Government teachers for the most part are failed professionals, but their job is to teach children how to have a successful career? Does anyone see the problem with this?

Where did you get this from? I won't even begin to discuss this until you state where you got this from. "Most part" needs back up. "Failed professionals" needs back up. What are the numbers and where did you get them from and how did you come to the conclusion that they have failed as professionals? As far as I know, if they are doing what they intended (teaching) and the kids are learning, they haven't failed. If it's the education system you're complaining about, that's a different topic. We may start from there. Now, Koolay (so funny, that means culero hahahaha) show your proof.