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Liberal Kid vs homeless man
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Liberal Kid vs homeless man
This story was making the rounds on facebook a while back and got under my skin pretty fierce. So I fired back and want to see what you guys think.


"I recently asked my neighbors’ little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, are liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, ‘If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?’

She replied, ‘I’d give food and houses to all the homeless people.’

Her parents beamed with pride.

’Wow…what a worthy goal.’ I told her, ‘But you don’t have to wait until you’re President to do that! You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I’ll pay you $50. Then I’ll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house.‘

She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, ’ Why doesn’t the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50? ‘

I said, ‘Welcome to Conservatism.’

Her parents still aren’t speaking to me.

-Mr. Conservative [email protected]"


My response on facebook:

For everyone that posted that absurd article with the narrator giving some "child with liberal parents" a lesson on becoming a Republican by telling an absurd story about a homeless man in a supermarket...read this:
http://www.gladwell.com/2006/2006_02_13_a_murray.html

You're probably saying "That has a lot of words, I don't wanna!"
Tough. You posted something so stupid it nearly gave me an aneurysm.

The article equated all homeless people to basically being lazy-f$%ks who are a drain on the system. Guess what? It ain't that simple. The vast majority of homeless people spend <2 days as a drain on the system (aka going to homeless shelters). That means they become homeless, they get their act together, they get a home. The problem lies at the end of the distribution of the chronically homeless end of the spectrum (the people you typically think about peddling for money). They constitute a much smaller proportion. They can be helped. How? Give them a home.

"But that costs me more money."
You didn't read the article. Did you?

The average chronic homeless person can run up medical bills over the course of a year that can top $1 million dollars. Who fits that bill do you suppose? The taxpayer.

"Let them die"
You're an ass. Those people get sick, a lot. They go to the emergency room, or the drunk-tank. That costs you money. It turns out that the guy costing us a million a year can cost us a heck of a lot less if they are put up in an apartment with a yearly rent of <$17,000. That even leaves, oh, about $983,000 to hire more social workers and case managers to check-in on them and help them stay with the program.

"But that costs me more money"
No. You don't use all of it by doing it this way, and it creates jobs, isn't that a good thing too?

Fixing it isn't easy. It won't work for some. For those that it does work for, they will be productive members of society, they will cost you less money, they won't be on the streets begging for money, their families won't have to worry about where they are or if they are dead.

"This sounds like a bunch of socialist propaganda"
Absurd. Look at it as a capitalist then. Give them a home and supervision, you save money. Let's say it costs on average $800,000 per chronic homeless person per year (medical bills + shelters + soup kitchens + etc). Give them an apartment at $16,000 a year + a social worker who has let's say 4 people they check-in on (average salary, ~$40,000) so divide that by 4 = $20,000 a year. So let's see, that is a savings of $780,000. Not chump change. You help them get a job and they start to take over a portion of their rent? Cut the rent cost in half and save another $8,000 a year per person.

"Still sounds like socialism to me"
Pick your knuckles up off the ground, read the article, and realize that tingling sensation behind your ears is something we call "thought."



I typically leave politics alone, but this simplified version of propaganda and bullshit pissed me off. Especially with the government shutdown over one extreme end of one group's ideology.
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#2
RE: Liberal Kid vs homeless man
You told them, but the saddening part of this story is that they probably didn't hear or understood you, just making them think they are justified in their narrow-mindedness. I don't get how hard it can be for Christians (sorry for generalizing, but I assume that most of the conservatists are) to get one of the most important tenets of their own beliefs; to be charitable, do not own and be good to other people.
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

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RE: Liberal Kid vs homeless man
"Just let them die"

Ah, the true monstrosity reveals itself...

He who lives by the sword oughta be neck bitchslapped by the sword.
Slave to the Patriarchy no more
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RE: Liberal Kid vs homeless man
What really sucks about the story is that I suspect that a good percentage of the people who "like" it or whatever the fuck they do on Facebook -- if actually approached at home by a homeless person offering to do those chores -- would turn them away with some snide remark about finding a real job one minute before calling the cops to report a suspicious vagrant prowling their neighborhoods.
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RE: Liberal Kid vs homeless man
Quote:"Just let them die"

Hey, the shitstains shut down the government to prevent people getting health care. How much of a difference is there?
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RE: Liberal Kid vs homeless man
I have to admit, there's been tons of comedy from this shutdown, with the GOP so cutely insisting that it's the President's and Senate's fault for not giving into their political terrorism and nobody but Tea Tardies agreeing with them.
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RE: Liberal Kid vs homeless man
Not sure the cure for homelessness is to give people homes. Those people might have had homes already and lost them for various reasons, giving them a new one is not going to cure the problems that led them down the wrong path to begin with.
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RE: Liberal Kid vs homeless man
http://www.nwaonline.com/news/2013/sep/2...-veterans/

Quote:• The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development estimates 62,619 veterans are homeless on any given night. Over the course of a year, about twice that number experience homelessness.

• Only 7 percent of the general population can claim veteran status, but nearly 13 percent of the homeless adult population are veterans.

• About 92 percent of homeless veterans are men; roughly 40 percent are black or Hispanic.

• Nearly half of homeless veterans served during the Vietnam era.

Source: National Coalition for Homeless Veterans


Yeah. So much easier to put a magnet on the back of your SUV.

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Re: Liberal Kid vs homeless man
The idea is not that it cures homelessness per se, but that it can help some of the people. A good many of them just need someone to be held accountable to. Meaning, they need to be treated like kids in a sense and given responsibilities. If you take them off of the street, you can save money by not having to pay for medical bills. Especially in some places that are not as nice year-round as those in warmer climates.

And this is where the "out of sight, out of mind" concept is the most damning.

If we really do want to help our veterans, it means not turning our back on them when they get home.


(I am certainly guilty of not dropping change in the bucket of every homeless person I meet, but I certainly support government assistance for them using taxes)
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RE: Liberal Kid vs homeless man
Like much of our problems in America, we could make great strides against the problem of homelessness if we would more focus on proper mental health treatment.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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