Atheist vs. Antitheists

[catfish]

You have your example of a "'useful" religion as I stated.
"Undefiled" is the opinion of the author, do I really need to give each of you guys an English lesson with each post or are you intentionally being this way?

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this,(everything before this is author's opinion/commentary) (eveything after this is the description of this unnamed religion) To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Notice the bolded portion above? I did not miss your feeble attempt... (although I really expected you to demand a god to be produced which this unnamed religion could be undefiled before also)

So again, I ask that you pay attention to what I write.

What the fuck is wrong with you? You still have yet to provide an example of an undefiled religion.

On second thought, you may just not understand so I'll try again.
The sentence after the blue above was my example of a usefull religion as I claimed. "Undefiled" is your requirement because the lead-in to the described religion contained it.
Seriously, 5th grade English taught us sentence structure here in the states. The root of the first sentence is "Religion is this," which since I needed an example of a usefull religion to rebut another's post, I choose to use. My claim was a "useful" religion, get it now?

Sure, you have now qualified the definition, but you have yet to give an example.

See above.

Also, I thought the Bible was the word of God (or at least inspired by God). Didn't you just vehemently proclaim that you don't speak for God? Which is it?

Which is what? Which strawman exactly are you trying to build?

[ManMachine]

I feel that religion is not the root of evil, human beings are. Religion is just a lense through which bad people justify evil deeds. The desire to do ill is already there, they just use religion to interpret their desires into a framework of thought that supports their motivations.

You are forgetting that ideas affect people's desires and motivations. The desire to oppress another class of people wouldn't be present unless there was a pre-existing idea that they are somehow inferior and deserving of it. Often, the religion not only provides a framework to support such motivations, it dictates those motivations as well.

You are making some broad generalisations here.

The needs and drives of those in individualistic societies tend to be more self-centered than those in collectivist societies, focusing on improvement of the self, with self-actualization being the apex of self-improvement. While it has been evidenced that in collectivist societies, the needs of acceptance and community will outweigh the needs for freedom and individuality.

That being said, on an individual level we do not know enough about the human mind to determine how much external social influences affect conscious decision making.

It would be nice to simplify everything into a grand statement but in reality it is not possible.


MM

[Optimistic Mysanthrope]

On second thought, you may just not understand so I'll try again.

I had to re-read it a couple of before I got it. Basically, you used a comma when you needed a colon, so the passage should read:

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this: To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Mind you, I still don't think that fits the criteria.

[catfish]

On second thought, you may just not understand so I'll try again.

I had to re-read it a couple of before I got it. Basically, you used a comma when you needed a colon, so the passage should read:

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this: To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Mind you, I still don't think that fits the criteria.

OMFG!


I quoted a Bible verse, I did not add anything nor take anything away. You do understand why I called it a quote and not a paraphrasing, don't you?
Maybe you should just put me on ignore, 'cause next time I'm laughing in your face about this shit.

[Optimistic Mysanthrope]

Laugh away mate. In the bible I looked the passage up, god knew when to use a colon.

[max-greece]

I tend to oscillate - sometimes I am atheist and sometimes I am anti-theist - its a mood thing more than anything.

[Owlix]

I tend to oscillate - sometimes I am atheist and sometimes I am anti-theist - its a mood thing more than anything.

Do you ever get stuck and make that 'tck tck tck tck tck' sound?

[Bob Kelso]

I've considered myself an official atheist for a short time, it was a long road of self introspection to get here, but in this short time I find myself leaning more towards anti-theism.

Religion (Christianity in particular) allows for control of the masses through thought-crime, religious text promotes genocide and holy war, and is inherently intolerant through exclusive ownership of the truth. Etc...

If that wasn't enough you have personal reasons, for example how theists like GC and Sword who come to an atheist forum to get indignant about our musings on their fairy tale and act like insipid elitist dickholes. Or how Christians in my area are hypocritical bigoted assholes spouting their evangelical bullshit whenever the situation allows.

So yeah I don't have a problem being labelled as both atheist and anti-theist.

[Captain Colostomy]

Laugh away mate. In the bible I looked the passage up, god knew when to use a colon.

His pedophilic pastors in the RCC know how to use colons too.

[max-greece]

I tend to oscillate - sometimes I am atheist and sometimes I am anti-theist - its a mood thing more than anything.

Do you ever get stuck and make that 'tck tck tck tck tck' sound?

No - I always use a good lubricant.

Stella Artois