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RE: How Should We React When a ‘Militant Atheist’ Beats Up a Pastor?
October 24, 2013 at 3:05 pm
(October 24, 2013 at 1:52 pm)Zazzy Wrote: Or the guy presented as unstable and violent, prompting the pastor to be concerned for the woman's safety, at which point the asshat proved he was unstable and violent.
Well, then, he's an idiot, because if you're concerned about someone being the victim of abuse, the last thing you want to do is bring up the subject of abuse in front of the abuser. The abuser seeks control, and a third party bringing up abuse is going to make them feel as if they're losing that control. So, when the victim and the abuser end up alone again, the abuser is going to do everything to regain that control.
Perhaps it is naïve of me to think everyone should understand that, but that is why I assumed that the pastor did that out of the desire to insult her boyfriend.
(October 24, 2013 at 1:52 pm)Zazzy Wrote: No way to know- but it has never been my experience that pastors randomly accuse people of domestic violence.
I'm not sure what him being a pastor has to do with it(pastors are humans, after all), but in the article it stated that they were both already in a confrontation. People do things like that in the heat of the moment, so it isn't out of the question.
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RE: How Should We React When a ‘Militant Atheist’ Beats Up a Pastor?
October 24, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Quote:And my heart does out to the pastor.
Um...the pastor sounds like a bit of nosy cocksucker himself. He deserved to be told off, though. Not beaten up.
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RE: How Should We React When a ‘Militant Atheist’ Beats Up a Pastor?
October 24, 2013 at 3:10 pm
(October 24, 2013 at 1:52 pm)Zazzy Wrote: ...but it has never been my experience that pastors randomly accuse people of domestic violence. I called a pastor out (privately, in an email) for having a very controlling way about him - I accused him of spiritual abuse. The very next day, my wife got a call from the pastor's wife asking her if she felt safe with me. My wife told her exactly how inappropriate she was being for asking the question. The next email I got from the pastor was an invitation to find another church "Immediately". FUCK PASTORS!
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RE: How Should We React When a ‘Militant Atheist’ Beats Up a Pastor?
October 24, 2013 at 3:20 pm
(October 24, 2013 at 3:05 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (October 24, 2013 at 1:52 pm)Zazzy Wrote: Or the guy presented as unstable and violent, prompting the pastor to be concerned for the woman's safety, at which point the asshat proved he was unstable and violent.
Well, then, he's an idiot, because if you're concerned about someone being the victim of abuse, the last thing you want to do is bring up the subject of abuse in front of the abuser. The abuser seeks control, and a third party bringing up abuse is going to make them feel as if they're losing that control. So, when the victim and the abuser end up alone again, the abuser is going to do everything to regain that control. Agreed completely, and a good point for everyone to remember. Even if the scenario I outlined was true, you'd expect a pastor to have received better training in counseling.
Quote:I'm not sure what him being a pastor has to do with it(pastors are humans, after all), but in the article it stated that they were both already in a confrontation. People do things like that in the heat of the moment, so it isn't out of the question.
No, not out of the question. I just wanted to point out that it could have gone differently.
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RE: How Should We React When a ‘Militant Atheist’ Beats Up a Pastor?
October 24, 2013 at 5:23 pm
(October 24, 2013 at 1:16 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: Quote:Over the weekend, a man named James Maxie went to church with his girlfriend… and ended up severely beating the pastor, Rev. Norman Hayes, after Hayes asked the girlfriend if she felt safe with him.http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyath...-a-pastor/
Now this Guy just a pure Dick and nobody should be beaten up for their beliefs. I do not condone this act of violence. And my heart does out to the pastor.
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RE: How Should We React When a ‘Militant Atheist’ Beats Up a Pastor?
October 24, 2013 at 5:39 pm
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How Should We React...?
I dunno.
Hold his coat?
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RE: How Should We React When a ‘Militant Atheist’ Beats Up a Pastor?
October 24, 2013 at 6:13 pm
I reacted by having another Guinness. Which may or may not be a euphemism.
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RE: How Should We React When a ‘Militant Atheist’ Beats Up a Pastor?
October 24, 2013 at 7:17 pm
Lets do what the Christians do and just declare that that he's not a "True Atheist"
Case closed.
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RE: How Should We React When a ‘Militant Atheist’ Beats Up a Pastor?
October 24, 2013 at 9:50 pm
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If anyone and I mean anyone condones violence, they should check their moral values.
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RE: How Should We React When a ‘Militant Atheist’ Beats Up a Pastor?
October 24, 2013 at 11:03 pm
How Should We React When a ‘Militant Atheist’ Beats Up a Pastor?
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