Evolution and Islam

[Chas]

Islam does not contradict with evolution , and also "human" evolution is not exactly a proven reality. I want to believe in evo but scientist still have not enough sufficient information to explain it .

Yes, they do. You just haven't read it.

[Jacob(smooth)]

There are other verses which make me think the quran doesn't support evolution, like this one.

Islam is not hadiths (stories)

Islam is Quran .

Reply is non sequitur

[Kayenneh]

and also "human" evolution is not exactly a proven reality.

Wrong. The evidence collected is massive.

I want to believe in evo but scientist still have not enough sufficient information to explain it .

It has nothing to do with belief, all you need is knowledge and of course some understanding of biology.

And in a related topic, did you guys know that the DNA of pubic lice is so close to lice of gorillas, that at some point in humanoid history, humans and gorillas copulated?

[Minimalist]

I'd just like to point out for the record that I only speak American English when I'm very drunk, preferring English English for everyday wear.

Limey!

[Nineteen]

and also "human" evolution is not exactly a proven reality.

Wrong. The evidence collected is massive.

I want to believe in evo but scientist still have not enough sufficient information to explain it .

It has nothing to do with belief, all you need is knowledge and of course some understanding of biology.

And in a related topicm did you guys know that the DNA of pubic lice is so close to lice of gorillas, that at some point in humanoid history, humans and gorillas copulated.

Human evolution is a "theory" , I think this is enough to define it .

[paulpablo]

There are other verses which make me think the quran doesn't support evolution, like this one.

Islam is not hadiths (stories)

Islam is Quran .

Okay sorry , this is a verse , number 30:20 .

Verse does not use such an expression "suddenly you became a human" .

But it seems to me to be in the realms of fantasy and magic.

God creating men from dust then the men are scattered on the earth. If it is talking about evolution there's a pretty big gap between dust and man left out there. And some of the translations seem to imply suddenness.

[Chas]

Wrong. The evidence collected is massive.


It has nothing to do with belief, all you need is knowledge and of course some understanding of biology.

And in a related topicm did you guys know that the DNA of pubic lice is so close to lice of gorillas, that at some point in humanoid history, humans and gorillas copulated.

Human evolution is a "theory" , I think this is enough to define it .

the·o·ry
[thee-uh-ree, theer-ee]
1.
a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena:
Einstein's theory of relativity. Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.


So, yes, it defines it rather succinctly. Evolution is fact.

[paulpablo]

Just to look over the original points made.

"It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels prostrate to Adam, and they prostrate; not so Iblis; He refused to be of those who prostrate." Quran 7 :11

It says created you AND gave you shape not created THEN gave shape like you said, therefore if you create something AND give shape to it this implies something created and molded in one go.

Quran 71:14
"'Seeing that it is He that has created you in diverse stages?

Admittedly this could be talking about evolution, but it also could be talking about embryology, you could say the same thing and apply it to anything that is created in diverse stages and be vaguely right.

Quran 71: 17
"'And Allah has produced you from the earth growing (gradually),

Same as the last verse, too vague to mean anything.

Quran 76: 28
We have created them and strengthened their forms, and when We will, We can change their likenesses with [complete] alteration."

Again vague.

Quran 64:3
"He created the heavens and earth in truth and formed you and perfected your forms; and to Him is the [final] destination. "

As I'm sure other people have said evolution isn't about god creating us in perfect forms, you have to establish what perfection is and since no human is the same we can't all be perfect, evolution has no goal it just works on the basis that if you can breed you're successful and every human who has died without breeding which happens a lot has failed the test of natural selection so the verse doesn't really make much sense in terms of evolution.
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[pocaracas]

Human evolution is a "theory" , I think this is enough to define it .

Ah, but The theory of evolution by natural selection is a "scientific theory"
Not a mere philosophical theory.
There are substantial differences between the two.
The first has a huge mass of evidence supporting it; makes verifiable predictions and many have indeed been verified...
While the latter is pure mental masturbation.

You'd do well to know the differences... to avoid saying stupid things like that.

[Nineteen]

But it seems to me to be in the realms of fantasy and magic.

God creating men from dust then the men are scattered on the earth. If it is talking about evolution there's a pretty big gap between dust and man left out there. And some of the translations seem to imply suddenness.

What is meant here is not speed or suddenness , so it says ........you've looked oneday and you're humans which is spread around the world ...... something like .