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Muhammad was a Genocidal Mass Murder
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RE: Muhammad was a Genocidal Mass Murder
(December 6, 2013 at 10:11 am)Ben Davis Wrote:
(December 6, 2013 at 9:30 am)Sleepy Wrote: Islam preaches tolerance of people of other religions and Jews, Christians, lived in the Muslim empire. The difference was they weren't trying to kill or harm.
Islam also teaches intolerance of people of other religions but especially of those with none: according to the Qur'an, some of the penalties for not being muslim are ostracisation, apartheid, slavery, imprisonment, torture and death.

There's an obvious conflict here and I'm interested in 2 things:

1. What's your justification for these contradictions? How do you reconcile the conflict?n

2. How do you choose between the sets of instructions? Why do you follow the 'tolerant' suras instead of the 'intolerant' ones when both sets are instructions from Allah?

Nineteen: Feel free to post your response to this, too.


My thought? Thanks to gravity, the carrot drops before the stick.
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#12
RE: Muhammad was a Genocidal Mass Murder
(December 6, 2013 at 10:11 am)Ben Davis Wrote: Islam also teaches intolerance of people of other religions but especially of those with none: according to the Qur'an, some of the penalties for not being muslim are ostracisation, apartheid, slavery, imprisonment, torture and death.
There's an obvious conflict here and I'm interested in 2 things:
1. What's your justification for these contradictions? How do you reconcile the conflict?
2. How do you choose between the sets of instructions? Why do you follow the 'tolerant' suras instead of the 'intolerant' ones when both sets are instructions from Allah?
Nineteen: Feel free to post your response to this, too.

Can you write this intolerant verses or their numbers ? So we can solve the problem from the root. I've to go training but I will reply when I come back .

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#13
RE: Muhammad was a Genocidal Mass Murder
No. You have to do the research yourself. If you don't then you are ignorant and we will put you on ignore :p
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#14
RE: Muhammad was a Genocidal Mass Murder
Both Islam and Israel have their bullshit propaganda towards one another, so shove it. Zionism is dangerous, and the Islamic hatred towards the Jews is despicable.
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#15
RE: Muhammad was a Genocidal Mass Murder
There are no penalties for not being Muslim. There are none in the Quran and none you can say exist within Islam besides out of the lies and deceit.

There are no intolerant verses. Another incorrect and imaginary statement.

Muslims don't hate Jews.

On youtube check out. Jews against Zionism.

The former president of Iran, Ahmadinejad meeting and hugging anti Zionist Jews against Zionism. As Zionism is against the Judaic faith. The Jews can't have a state until their messiah comes, that is the belief from the Torah. They were expelled many years ago and wandered deserts.

This is basic Torah knowledge and the killing of innocents and denying basic human rights is the essence of the Zionist dog.

There are no intolerant verses therefore none can be posted.

The liars and those who are deceitful, hideous by nature have been lying and will continue to lie as is the nature of such people. A nature of someone that will enter hell fire.
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RE: Muhammad was a Genocidal Mass Murder
(December 6, 2013 at 10:27 am)Nineteen Wrote: Can you write this intolerant verses or their numbers ? So we can solve the problem from the root. I've to go training but I will reply when I come back .
Not right now, I'd need to look them up and I'm at work. I'll post the 'tolerant' & 'intolerant' ones so we can see the conflicts and discuss them in more detail.

In the meantime, a high-level answer would suffice, similar to Sleepy's; he reconciles the conflict by denying the existence of the 'intolerant' verses. Do you have a general approach for dealing with any perceived conflicts in the way that the Qur'an teaches muslims to interact with non-muslims?
Sum ergo sum
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#17
RE: Muhammad was a Genocidal Mass Murder
The Koran is a turd sandwich no matter how you build it, Sleepy. You may like making 'nom nom nom' sounds and patting your tummy while chewing that shit, but it's damned revolting.
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#18
RE: Muhammad was a Genocidal Mass Murder
The Quran tells Muslims how to behave and act with non Muslims.

Live peacefully, with respect, with no compulsion of Islam unto them, kindness.

If they attempt to attack you, harm you, kill you, expel you. Then you have the right to attack back, kill them, and expel them from where they've expelled you. A truce is MOST preferable. A truce without ulterior motives and hidden planning to attack again.

The most preferable solutions is dialogue through communication.

Quran 2:190
"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors."

If nobody took up arms and battles against Muslims than communication without violence is the only path.

Atheism- relativity, act in self defense or turn the other cheek( illogical )

Christianity( turn the other cheek)

Islam ( act in self defense is a must)

Atheism is illogical because of the relativity between self defnse and turning the other cheek because that is criminal. Suffering just to avoid violence is criminal and that's makes Christianity illogical as well among numerous other reasons.

Islam stands strongest because it says you have to do something against those who are attacking but do not attack first. Only act in self defense.



Quran 2:216
"Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not."

Such a beautiful verse wow. Allah knows we don't like fighting but it is is necessary in the fact of tyrants and those who are violent and aggressors. Allah is All-Knowing
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#19
RE: Muhammad was a Genocidal Mass Murder
Atheism has laws? Who is the group reading false propaganda? Not us, it would seem.
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RE: Muhammad was a Genocidal Mass Murder
Atheism has no laws. It is relative. So oeolle can either choose to not do anything when somebody attacks them as well as choose to fight back. The only logical choice is fighting back which is what Islam says.
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