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RE: The alternative to the living wage.
May 17, 2014 at 1:46 pm
lets attack the problem from the other end with a maximum wage.
Quote:A maximum wage, also often called a wage ceiling, is a legal limit on how much income an individual can earn.[1] This is a related economic concept that is complementary to the minimum wage used currently by some states to enforce minimum earnings. Both a maximum and minimum wage are methods by which wealth can be redistributed within a society.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_wage
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RE: The alternative to the living wage.
May 17, 2014 at 2:04 pm
(May 17, 2014 at 12:25 pm)A Theist Wrote: (May 14, 2014 at 10:03 pm)Alice Wrote: Starving and freezing... or looting...
I choose looting, every time. Repossession is three fifths of the law.
Until someone breaks into the wrong place. Then they wouldn't have to worry about looting and robbing anymore. Possession of firearms is protected by the 2nd amendment.
You sound like you can't wait to shoot someone.
I'll be rooting for the other guy.
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Re: RE: The alternative to the living wage.
May 17, 2014 at 3:03 pm
(May 17, 2014 at 2:04 pm)Minimalist Wrote: (May 17, 2014 at 12:25 pm)A Theist Wrote: Until someone breaks into the wrong place. Then they wouldn't have to worry about looting and robbing anymore. Possession of firearms is protected by the 2nd amendment.
You sound like you can't wait to shoot someone.
I'll be rooting for the other guy.
You would root for a criminal that has broken into someone's house over a homeowner? I knew you had a screw loose but fuck!
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RE: The alternative to the living wage.
May 17, 2014 at 3:31 pm
(May 17, 2014 at 3:03 pm)KUSA Wrote: You would root for a criminal that has broken into someone's house over a homeowner? I knew you had a screw loose but fuck!
I dunno about that, but in most homes, a gun is mostly innefective. One would be better off with a baseball bat.
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RE: The alternative to the living wage.
May 17, 2014 at 3:42 pm
(May 17, 2014 at 3:03 pm)KUSA Wrote: (May 17, 2014 at 2:04 pm)Minimalist Wrote: You sound like you can't wait to shoot someone.
I'll be rooting for the other guy.
You would root for a criminal that has broken into someone's house over a homeowner? I knew you had a screw loose but fuck!
There are bad guys and then there are bad guys.... the ones who claim to be holier-than-thou are the worst.
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RE: The alternative to the living wage.
May 17, 2014 at 3:48 pm
I guess shooting someone in their home would be great to some people. I prefer to defend said home effectively without possible lethal force being used. You know, some starving guy could try to break in to get some money for survival. With a baseball bat and mabe the fists you could send the guy to the place he would get food, like jail.
But hey, its a cultural thing. How macho it is to shoot a guy with a gun in america? Wicked sick macho! Yeeee-haaawww??!?!?!
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RE: The alternative to the living wage.
May 17, 2014 at 5:23 pm
(May 17, 2014 at 3:31 pm)LastPoet Wrote: I dunno about that, but in most homes, a gun is mostly innefective. One would be better off with a baseball bat. Or just learn the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique and fuck a guy up without leaving a mark!*
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RE: The alternative to the living wage.
May 17, 2014 at 6:19 pm
(May 17, 2014 at 12:36 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: https://www.paychex.com/jobs-index/
Quick question: if raising the minimum wage is supposed to destroy job growth, why is the state with the highest small business job growth (Washington) the same as the state with the highest minimum wage (Washington)?
Oh, and it's the same on a municipal level, too. San Fran: highest minimum wage, highest small business job growth. Seattle's right behind.
I mean, if a minimum wage really wrecks small business, you wouldn't expect to see so many states and cities with a minimum wage above the federal mandated level so high on these lists. And yet, oddly enough, that's exactly what you see on these lists. It's almost as if having more money in the hands of regular people boosts small businesses because those people have the freedom to spend more money on things that aren't necessities (which is what most small businesses peddle), or something crazy (and absolutely predictable) like that.
Correlation does not imply causation. An argument can be made that Washington and San Francisco are experiencing growth because they are coastal.
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Re: RE: The alternative to the living wage.
May 17, 2014 at 6:54 pm
(May 17, 2014 at 3:48 pm)LastPoet Wrote: You know, some starving guy could try to break in to get some money for survival.
If someone that was starving would simply ask me I would feed them. No need in breaking in my house.
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RE: The alternative to the living wage.
May 17, 2014 at 8:36 pm
(May 17, 2014 at 1:46 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: lets attack the problem from the other end with a maximum wage.
Quote:A maximum wage, also often called a wage ceiling, is a legal limit on how much income an individual can earn.[1] This is a related economic concept that is complementary to the minimum wage used currently by some states to enforce minimum earnings. Both a maximum and minimum wage are methods by which wealth can be redistributed within a society.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_wage
Ben and Jerry's Ice cream tried this and ultimately had to give it up.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/companies...d=19920634
I think CEO pay is too high, however I think it is more of a nuisance than a real problem. If you took executive compensation and divided it up among the workers.....it wouldn't make much of a difference.
Same goes for people who claim the rich are getting richer at the expense of the poor. If you took all the stuff rich people owned and divided it up among everyone, it wouldn't make a difference. Its a "problem" that appeals to peoples emotions....which is why it get press....but it really isn't a problem at all.
What we should be striving to do is create an environment which maximizes peoples options and then let the market work. A universal guaranteed income does this. A living wage prices some labor out of the market and locks people into jobs. A living wage takes options away from people instead of giving options to them.
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