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Personally I don't think most xtians are lying when they tell you what justifies their beliefs. It is common for everyone to interpret their experience in terms of their operating assumptions (which they might even think are divinely inspired). We all do it (except for the invoking divinities part). Remember lies are untruths told when you know them to be untruths. Most xtians are operating under the effects of Kool-aid. They believe that shit. (We just believe different shit.)
(June 23, 2014 at 1:28 pm)ronedee Wrote: Ok! I can, and will agree with you! But, if you open that door expect my rebuttal with [obvious] facts....
Facts would be nice. Obvious ones are fine, though probably not worth pointing out if they're that obvious. Verifiable ones are better.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(June 19, 2014 at 10:23 pm)Beccs Wrote: Oh, I've encountered some real liars for Jesus in RL and online.
Two I remember in particular:
One claimed that he saw a missionary in Africa hold up a bible when someone tried to shoot him and the bullets magically . . . I mean "miraculously" changed direction and missed.
Another claimed that he was at a faith healers and witnessed someone's leg grow longer - not grow back, but grow longer to match the other leg.
The thing is, there are people who fall for these obviously bullshit stories.
(June 23, 2014 at 1:28 pm)ronedee Wrote: I don't like assumptions! That's all you ever do. Stop making them and I'll talk to you... otherwise take a hike!
You mean like assuming that all the atheists in the thread were talking about all christians everywhere, when nobody has used language that would even lead one to that conclusion like, say, the phrase "all christians"?
Not liking assumptions is fine, but try to call out assumptions that are actually present, and not the ones your weird, hypersensitive persecution complex desperately needs there to be. Because, again, nobody even insinuated this was a problem with all christians; in fact, a lot of the posts here were discussing specific cases, which is literally as far from a generalization as possible.
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(June 20, 2014 at 5:22 pm)Stimbo Wrote: In any case, "I knew a couple of Christians once" is a gross misrepresentation of what I said (assuming the retort was directed at me), thus ironically reinforcing the theme of this thread. Perhaps I ought to reiterate the part where I said they are friends of mine, very old friends at that; they were the ones who got my Sam and I together. They're gonna love reading this.
No, just making a GENERALIZED point. How does it feel?
What [is] a GROSS misrepresentation.... is that ALL Christians lie.
Actually, to be perfectly honest, all men lie. There's some generalized truth for you.
... but, it's a childish lie on the part of anti's to continually make broad, sweeping statements (not just in this thread) about ALL Christians, and especially Catholics. When [you know] in fact it does not represent the vast majority of the community. As a matter of fact, it more resembles your figures here: one, three... "a couple". NOT BILLIONS! Or, even millions.
It doesn't matter to you, or anyone here that "most" Christians go about the world doing good, and helping their fellow humans.... atheists included! Because being hated isn't a deal breaker for them. They love, and do good; for goods sake.
But, that isn't news worthy is it? That isn't a good reason to hate us, huh?
So basically, you are lying to yourselves, and to each other. In the supreme effort to bring ALL Christians down. Because you: "don't like it". "want it", or "don't need it". Well.... WE DO!
You know what? We don't "like" you guys either. But, we do love you! Because no matter how you act, or what you say, or what you do.... you were created in God's image. And He deserves better. We love whatever of God that is still left. No matter how small. No matter how hidden. Its still there. That's our real "motive". To find Him in EVERYTHING! Ironically, even [in] an atheist forum.
Genesis 1:27 So God created humans in [His image]. In the image of God he created them. He created them male and female.
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Oh Jesus Christ. You've got to be kidding with this. Do you so badly need to be persecuted that you would intentionally misrepresent (lie about) what has happened in this thread? Wait... what's that thing? Oh yeah. Irony.
June 23, 2014 at 3:57 pm (This post was last modified: June 23, 2014 at 4:01 pm by ronedee.)
(June 23, 2014 at 3:09 pm)Esquilax Wrote:
(June 23, 2014 at 1:28 pm)ronedee Wrote: I don't like assumptions! That's all you ever do. Stop making them and I'll talk to you... otherwise take a hike!
You mean like assuming that all the atheists in the thread were talking about all christians everywhere, when nobody has used language that would even lead one to that conclusion like, say, the phrase "all christians"?
Not liking assumptions is fine, but try to call out assumptions that are actually present, and not the ones your weird, hypersensitive persecution complex desperately needs there to be. Because, again, nobody even insinuated this was a problem with all christians; in fact, a lot of the posts here were discussing specific cases, which is literally as far from a generalization as possible.
Ok... in your opinion: are ALL Christians telling the truth when they say the only way to salvation is through Jesus?
(June 23, 2014 at 3:46 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote:
(June 22, 2014 at 2:33 am)ronedee Wrote:
No, just making a GENERALIZED point. How does it feel?
What [is] a GROSS misrepresentation.... is that ALL Christians lie.
Actually, to be perfectly honest, all men lie. There's some generalized truth for you.
... but, it's a childish lie on the part of anti's to continually make broad, sweeping statements (not just in this thread) about ALL Christians, and especially Catholics. When [you know] in fact it does not represent the vast majority of the community. As a matter of fact, it more resembles your figures here: one, three... "a couple". NOT BILLIONS! Or, even millions.
It doesn't matter to you, or anyone here that "most" Christians go about the world doing good, and helping their fellow humans.... atheists included! Because being hated isn't a deal breaker for them. They love, and do good; for goods sake.
But, that isn't news worthy is it? That isn't a good reason to hate us, huh?
So basically, you are lying to yourselves, and to each other. In the supreme effort to bring ALL Christians down. Because you: "don't like it". "want it", or "don't need it". Well.... WE DO!
You know what? We don't "like" you guys either. But, we do love you! Because no matter how you act, or what you say, or what you do.... you were created in God's image. And He deserves better. We love whatever of God that is still left. No matter how small. No matter how hidden. Its still there. That's our real "motive". To find Him in EVERYTHING! Ironically, even [in] an atheist forum.
Genesis 1:27 So God created humans in [His image]. In the image of God he created them. He created them male and female.
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Oh Jesus Christ. You've got to be kidding with this. Do you so badly need to be persecuted that you would intentionally misrepresent (lie about) what has happened in this thread? Wait... what's that thing? Oh yeah. Irony.
BTW- you don't love me. That's also a lie.
I said: "I love all of God that is in you". That is a TRUE statement. But, you aren't interested in anything but your pov. Just like Exlax.
(June 23, 2014 at 1:53 pm)Stimbo Wrote:
(June 23, 2014 at 1:28 pm)ronedee Wrote: Ok! I can, and will agree with you! But, if you open that door expect my rebuttal with [obvious] facts....
Facts would be nice. Obvious ones are fine, though probably not worth pointing out if they're that obvious. Verifiable ones are better.
What? That the vast majority of Christians are not like your "couple"?
(June 23, 2014 at 3:09 pm)Esquilax Wrote: You mean like assuming that all the atheists in the thread were talking about all christians everywhere, when nobody has used language that would even lead one to that conclusion like, say, the phrase "all christians"?
Not liking assumptions is fine, but try to call out assumptions that are actually present, and not the ones your weird, hypersensitive persecution complex desperately needs there to be. Because, again, nobody even insinuated this was a problem with all christians; in fact, a lot of the posts here were discussing specific cases, which is literally as far from a generalization as possible.
Ok... in your opinion: are ALL Christians telling the truth when they say the only way to salvation is through Jesus?
(June 23, 2014 at 3:46 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Oh Jesus Christ. You've got to be kidding with this. Do you so badly need to be persecuted that you would intentionally misrepresent (lie about) what has happened in this thread? Wait... what's that thing? Oh yeah. Irony.
BTW- you don't love me. That's also a lie.
I said: "I love all of God that is in you". That is a TRUE statement. But, you aren't interested in anything but your pov. Just like Exlax.
(June 23, 2014 at 1:53 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Facts would be nice. Obvious ones are fine, though probably not worth pointing out if they're that obvious. Verifiable ones are better.
What? That the vast majority of Christians are not like your "couple"?
(June 23, 2014 at 3:57 pm)ronedee Wrote: What? That the vast majority of Christians are not like your "couple"?
That isn't factual?
I never argued that, "sir". I merely endorsed your promise of facts.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(June 23, 2014 at 3:57 pm)ronedee Wrote: Ok... in your opinion: are ALL Christians telling the truth when they say the only way to salvation is through Jesus?
I know. It's not directed at me, but I'll take it anyway. No, I don't believe any Christians are telling the truth when they say that. I also don't think they're lying. But that could just be my bias showing since I've never known parrots to lie.
(June 19, 2014 at 7:42 pm)Brakeman Wrote: So often christians on this site claim that the witnesses to jesus and his miracles wouldn't lie because they wouldn't have a motive, but I say they had the same motive as this guy.
