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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
July 2, 2014 at 2:10 pm
It's laborious and tedious just reading all of your (posters) drivel!
I've noticed the more itelligent members of the forum have kept out of this argument! Doesn't that tell you something?!
Again.... you lack the common sense to even process simple information.
Or... you're just trying to wear me out, and bury my verified experiences with a multitude of rubbish, and drive-by squirt guns!
Well, it's not working. I won this argument 5000 words ago!
Because YOU have nothing to offer, or to prove that Faith isn't viable.
How could you? You haven't a clue where to look, or what to look for!
And the kicker is commenting w/o knowledge on the experiences of someone whose had them! For 15 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ANALOGY ALERT! It's like one person telling another person about a room they've never been in! How special and extraordinary, and wonderful beyond imagination. But that second person knows that house.....And they swear up and down it's like all the other rooms... because there is nothing in the other rooms that gives him reason to believe it's any different! To the point of even telling people who've been there... THEY ARE WRONG!!!
Until you step in "that room".... you have absolutely no clue! And every word you say is from ignorance. And you have no basis for an argument! None.
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
July 2, 2014 at 2:11 pm
(July 2, 2014 at 11:28 am)ronedee Wrote: The supreme head of the universe hasn't taken the time to acknowledge a bunch of fowl mouthed, selfish, finger pointing know-it-all's.
But he finds the time to ensure Catholics get to literally eat and drink his kid once a week. What were you saying earlier about common sense?
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
July 2, 2014 at 2:17 pm
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(July 2, 2014 at 2:10 pm)ronedee Wrote: It's laborious and tedious just reading all of your (posters) drivel! I know..I know..I feel the same way, it's yet another service we provide to each other so that we might hope to understand the others viewpoint.
Quote:And the kicker is commenting w/o knowledge on the experiences of someone whose had them! For 15 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think we all have knowledge of experience Ron........................are you implying that your knowledge of experience ought to simply trump ours because you're the one telling the beddy-time story? Look, if you want me to just sit down and listen while you talk yourself to sleep I'll bring you a blanket and a pacifier and we can do this right (I sing a mean lullaby, as can be attested to by some members of this forum).
Quote:Until you step in "that room".... you have absolutely no clue! And every word you say is from ignorance. And you have no basis for an argument! None.
I don't have to step in front of a car to determine whether or not I would survive it Ron. Similarly, I don't have to step into your room to see whether or not reason could survive it. I'm watching it suffocate, safe on this side of the glass window - and reporting my observations.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
July 2, 2014 at 2:25 pm
(July 2, 2014 at 2:10 pm)ronedee Wrote: It's laborious and tedious just reading all of your (posters) drivel!
I've noticed the more itelligent members of the forum have kept out of this argument! Doesn't that tell you something?!
Certainly those who don't suffer fools, have left. But I'll accept the insult.
(July 2, 2014 at 2:10 pm)ronedee Wrote: ANALOGY ALERT! It's like one person telling another person about a room they've never been in! How special and extraordinary, and wonderful beyond imagination. But that second person knows that house.....And they swear up and down it's like all the other rooms... because there is nothing in the other rooms that gives him reason to believe it's any different! To the point of even telling people who've been there... THEY ARE WRONG!!!
Until you step in "that room".... you have absolutely no clue! And every word you say is from ignorance. And you have no basis for an argument! None.
Not quite. The problem is the rest of the rooms can be seen, measured, felt, and accurately described. But the room you are describing cannot. And you are saying that the room can't be entered unless you believe in it first. That, is irrational.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
July 2, 2014 at 2:30 pm
(This post was last modified: July 2, 2014 at 2:31 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I have a very humble suggestion, as per most of the analogies you might offer ntw Ron. Perhaps they aren;t working because the operator in each analogy - what makes the analogy work - itself - is generally material. Because you have alot of experience with the material, your explanations are going to be colored by your experience (obviously). When you try to shift that operator over into the immaterial - the analogy, the reasoning in it - breaks down as an inevitable result.
The question one might ask, is if all of these experiences seem analogous to some other material experience (which is what your explanations would suggest) - then I fail to see why you have decided that these experiences are somehow connected to the immaterial - the spirit, god..whatever. You are describing them exactly as though they were workaday normal things....so why shouldn't I conclude that they are, in fact - just that?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
July 2, 2014 at 2:32 pm
Ha! 'verified experiences'? What a troll
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
July 2, 2014 at 2:34 pm
Ronedee, if God exists, surely he wants you to use the brain he gave you. Now go away and read a book you dingbat.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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Re: RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
July 2, 2014 at 4:05 pm
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(July 2, 2014 at 2:10 pm)ronedee Wrote: And the kicker is commenting w/o knowledge on the experiences of someone whose had them! For 15 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look Ronee babe, we can all see quite clearly that your experiences must be so very real to you, nobody would use 13 exclamation marks if they didn't know for sure they were right would they?
It's only your experience though; your thoughts and your imagination, so surely someone of your intelligence must see that those experiences can't be handed to someone else as proof.
You have your faith and lets leave it there eh? If it helps you to face life then no harm done but you must try to accept that it is ONLY inside YOUR head.
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