Disproving the Bible

[Esquilax]

What you would have to disprove is the existence of God and that is not on your list Godslayer.

Oh, a misunderstanding of the burden of proof! How surprising!

Do you believe everything that hasn't been disproved, Steve?

[ignoramus]

If god created our universe from a different universe, fine.
Therefore no god miracle can happen in our universe as it needs to conform to our laws.
Otherwise it's just magic and we know that can't exist.
Therefore all miracles should eventually be explained by science as they are unexplained natural events.
If the world was flooded again from water beyond our atmosphere, I would call that magic.
Which is why it can't and won't happen.

[SteveII]

Copying of the Torah and other books of the ancient Hebrews was governed by a tedious process that made sure not one letter was misplaced. Once Moses wrote it down, it was not an oral tradition--it was continuously copied with care. Historicity rescued!

There is no evidence of any "moses." There is no evidence of any "hebrew scriptures" prior to the Dead Sea Scrolls. The tradition you refer to has to do with the Masoretic scribes and date to the 9th century.

Care to try again and this time abandon the fairy tales?

I will try one more time to politely point out you are mistaken or we are not understanding each other. The Hebrew Torah has been around (in Hebrew) since the 5th century BC. The rest of the Hebrew Cannon (the prophets) were formed up between the 3rd and 2nd century BC. The Masoretic Texts are the oldest complete copies. There was a temple process for copying the Torah all the way back, to well, the first temple.

Regarding Moses, he wandered in the wilderness for 80 years. Did you expect to find a body? The oral and then written tradition of the ancient Hebrews is all we have to indicate that an ancient Hebrew lived.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Rational people know that the Genesis creation story didn't happen. But it could be a complex metaphor for the Jewish involvement in the Assyrian and Babylonian civilizations. All of the symbols can be related to phases in civilization and to events depicted in the Bible. It pays to keep in mind that you are reading a Middle East ethnocentric religious fairy tale and that you need to think like a person from that time and area might have thought. It also pays to remember that fiction is more entertaining and easier to remember than actual events.

For instance, consider Genesis 1:11-12 which takes about plants on the third day. That could refer to the origin of agriculture, where man started to plant food crops and vineyards and fruit trees instead of foraging for them in the wild.

On the sixth day, Genesis 1:24-31, it talks about animals and how man is to have dominion over them. That could refer to the domestication of cattle, sheep, goats, horses, and other livestock and the creation of fishing fleets.

Now I know some folks hate metaphors but the Bible is loaded with them so if you're going to discuss it then you need to get a grasp on them.

And please, stop talking about Adam & Eve being the only people on Earth. The Bible plainly states that the Cush and Assyrian civilizations were just down the road from the Garden of Eden, Genesis 2:13-14. And don't forget how Nimrod waltzed into Assyria right after the flood and built cities. Is there any historical record of Assyria ever being flooded to its highest mountain? Of course there isn't, so the Noah flood of actual wet water never happened. It was the Assyrian military that swept over the land like a flood of water killing, raping, pillaging, and generally being bad asses. Using water as a metaphor for that event is a lot nicer. Besides, the king of Tyre lived in the Garden of Eden. He may or may not have been Adam but they both got kicked out by the Assyrian Emperor, aka "God".

[The Grand Nudger]

Regarding Moses, he wandered in the wilderness for 80 years. Did you expect to find a body?

-with a metric shitload of former slaves. So yes, a body would be swell. Or maybe something that any of those people were carrying, or maybe some evidence of their passing in the terrain (did you know that we can map silk road trade routes that probably only saw a few hundred camel over a thousand years - from space). Hows about egypts enemies gloating?

The bar is pretty low.

[Esquilax]

Hows about egypts enemies gloating?

The bar is pretty low.

Just Egypt's enemies? Funny how we never find any Egyptian record at all of Moses, not even an account of the villainous Moses who stole away and mistreated the slaves of Egypt, who were totally happy under Pharaoh's rule. Given the christian efforts to demonize Baal by turning him into Beelzebub, we certainly have a precedent by which historical revisionism of that kind can be used against religious movements.

And yet we don't see any of that regarding Moses.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Moses was probably just a collaborator who aided the Assyrians or Babylonians during one of their incursions into Egypt.

[The Grand Nudger]

For instance, consider Genesis 1:11-12 which takes about plants on the third day. That could refer to the origin of agriculture, where man started to plant food crops and vineyards and fruit trees instead of foraging for them in the wild.

No, no, ag started roundabouts man found himself in the position of having been cursed to toil, later in the narrative - part of the fall. But I'm game.

Keep in mind, man would have to wait at least "one more day" after the third -for the sun, or any star really...so ag was probably slow going on day 3. Day 5, also a bitch, what with all the birds cropping up to eat the newly planted seeds. Don;t even get me started about the water come day number 5. Pristine pools one minute, fish fucking in them the next - disgusting.

On the sixth day, Genesis 1:24-31, it talks about animals and how man is to have dominion over them. That could refer to the domestication of cattle, sheep, goats, horses, and other livestock and the creation of fishing fleets.

Fleets which would later be used to harpoon dragons, no doubt.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Things in the bible that are wrong...

Unicorns, disproved.
7 day creation of the Earth, disproved.
Flat Earth, disproved.
Talking snakes, disproved.
Global flood, disproved.
Two people repopulating the Earth, disproved.
Walking on water, disproved.
Virgin birth..only if it's a freshly jizzed on toilet seat, maybe.

You don't really need much else. Especially with Adam and Eve, because without that being true, the whole religion crumbles since there's then no fall and no need for Jebus.

Other than the flat earth (which I don't have any idea what you are talking about) and the 6 days of creation (which has already been discussed having different legit interpretations) none of these things have been disproved. What you would have to disprove is the existence of God and that is not on your list Godslayer.

This is untrue (people reading this please refer to the beginning of the thread).

There is no 'legitimate' reason found with the bible aside from the mental gymnastics employed in apologetics to presume that the genesis myth is referring to anything other than a literal 6 days.

As to the other things. Our understanding of reality suggests that all of the things listed by godslayer are impossible. As there is no evidence to corroborate the claims found in the bible regarding these, then they can be dismissed.

[The Grand Nudger]

As there is no evidence to corroborate the claims found in the bible regarding these, then they can be dismissed.

Just to add a little spice to the dish. Not only is there no evidence to corroborate the claims, there are mountains (in this case, literal mountains) of evidence to the contrary. If -anything- can be disproven, all these items have been. They're not in some murky grey area where we can't say yay or nay.