Disproving the Bible

[SteveII]

My genetic material came from the same man that yours did. That would be fact. Before that?...now you are into theory.

That fact is all that modern synthesis deals with. "Before that" falls under the purvey of other explanations, other theories. How do you know that your genetic material comes from the same man as mine? Also, where did his genetic material come from?

My assumption? Since the more we realize how complex life really is, the more unlikely there are alternative methods to getting to that point. Scientist can't figure out how the origins of life came about when they have all the ingredients sitting on the table. Imagine having multiple sets of independent building blocks of life.

We know that there is more than one way to skin a cat. Carbon chauvinism has been out for awhile now. In the case of our lives, it's not an issue of likelihood or probability, again, evolution is an observation, not just a good guess based on how likely we think something might be (or unlikely). I love imagining multiple sets of building blocks for life, we just don't see that here - but nothing prevents it from being so, and we also know that. Silicon is a candidate (and we see alot of chemistry in our carbon based life that leverages silicon), as are other elements, and adding complexity is just useless, life doesn't have to be carbon based, nor does it have to be as complex as our own to qualify as life. Once you do away with that unnecessary qualifier a whole host of other "building blocks" become candidates.

How is that assumption looking now?

I should have learned by now not to use words like assume in this forum. Word choice notwithstanding, I have seen no discoveries of life existing that does not share the same building blocks, so my point still applies--we should expect to see vast similarities between all living things if we share the same building blocks.

[FatAndFaithless]

That fact is all that modern synthesis deals with. "Before that" falls under the purvey of other explanations, other theories. How do you know that your genetic material comes from the same man as mine? Also, where did his genetic material come from?

We know that there is more than one way to skin a cat. Carbon chauvinism has been out for awhile now. In the case of our lives, it's not an issue of likelihood or probability, again, evolution is an observation, not just a good guess based on how likely we think something might be (or unlikely). I love imagining multiple sets of building blocks for life, we just don't see that here - but nothing prevents it from being so, and we also know that. Silicon is a candidate (and we see alot of chemistry in our carbon based life that leverages silicon), as are other elements, and adding complexity is just useless, life doesn't have to be carbon based, nor does it have to be as complex as our own to qualify as life. Once you do away with that unnecessary qualifier a whole host of other "building blocks" become candidates.

How is that assumption looking now?

I should have learned by now not to use words like assume in this forum. Word choice notwithstanding, I have seen no discoveries of life existing that does not share the same building blocks, so my point still applies--we should expect to see vast similarities between all living things if we share the same building blocks.

We do see vast similarities in the genetic code of living things...that's kind of one of the best points for common ancestry.

[The Grand Nudger]

I should have learned by now not to use words like assume in this forum. Word choice notwithstanding, I have seen no discoveries of life existing that does not share the same building blocks, so my point still applies--we should expect to see vast similarities between all living things if we share the same building blocks.

Again, just because we share building blocks doesn't mean that those are the only blocks in the set. The much more interesting observations center around -why- carbon based life took hold here, and why we don;t see silicon based life - or anything more exotic. If evolution wasn't the manner in which we ended up where we are I see no reason for such a preponderance of carbon based life. Within the limits of evolution, it's trivially easy to explain. We're carbon based because our ancestors were carbon based, not because carbon is the only road to damascus. So no, your point doesn't stand, it's having trouble just leaning onto something.

I'll ask again, how do you know that you and I get our genetic material from the same man, and where did he get his?

[beentheredonethat]

You can't disprove the Holy Bible. It is not possible by factual possibilities. You cannot disprove something that comes from a powerful being that created us. You people need to get your stupid heads examined.

[FatAndFaithless]

You can't disprove the Holy Bible. It is not possible by factual possibilities. You cannot disprove something that comes from a powerful being that created us. You people need to get your stupid heads examined.

Hello Mr. Poe, may I call you Edgar Allen?

[Dystopia]

You can't disprove the Holy Bible. It is not possible by factual possibilities. You cannot disprove something that comes from a powerful being that created us. You people need to get your stupid heads examined.

You can't disprove you're not a dog, I have never seen you in real life. Also, I'm having a threesome and typing this with my penis, prove me wrong genius

[beentheredonethat]

You can't disprove the Holy Bible. It is not possible by factual possibilities. You cannot disprove something that comes from a powerful being that created us. You people need to get your stupid heads examined.

You can't disprove you're not a dog, I have never seen you in real life. Also, I'm having a threesome and typing this with my penis, prove me wrong genius

That is a logically fallacy to the core.

And if you really are having a threesome then that figures coming from someone of such weak, pathetic moral fibre such as yourself.

[FatAndFaithless]

You can't disprove you're not a dog, I have never seen you in real life. Also, I'm having a threesome and typing this with my penis, prove me wrong genius

That is a logically fallacy to the core.

And if you really are having a threesome then that figures coming from someone of such weak, pathetic moral fibre such as yourself.

Gee, I'm sure he'll have a long, productive posting influence on this forum.

[Dystopia]

You can't disprove you're not a dog, I have never seen you in real life. Also, I'm having a threesome and typing this with my penis, prove me wrong genius

That is a logically fallacy to the core.

And if you really are having a threesome then that figures coming from someone of such weak, pathetic moral fibre such as yourself.

Tell me more about the sadistic christian morality and your god... Oh wait he doesn't exist right? I almost forgot that. Man I'd like to have a polite intellectually fruitful converstation with most christians but you guys just can't keep up to it, damn I'm disappointed

[Jenny A]

SteveII my friend you look so measured and rational now.