Spare the rod, spoil the child

[The Grand Nudger]

Spanking a kid is barbaric, but starving them into submission is..........what, exactly? I see some mention of kids self image and self worth, let me offer a humble counterpoint....if a kid is the kind of kid, who gets his little ass slapped on a regular basis, and without throwing the blanket of abuse where it may not belong....it;s entirely possible that said kid probably -should- have low self esteem, a poor self image. He just might be an asshole. I had a buddy that liked to torture animals. Stabbed my dog with a mop handle (the dog panicked and sent me to hospital, damn near sheared off my face, 142 stitches). Counseling didn't seem to help and I don't think that I could really tell a mother to commit her son - that's something she'd have to decide herself. While it's an extreme case - I don't think that anyone would shed a tear when his mommy boxed his fucking ears in. I know I didn't.

[Jacob(smooth)]

Spanking a kid is barbaric, but starving them into submission is..........what, exactly?

What Luckie said was

Tell her that if she doesn't eat her breakfast this morning, then that's the only breakfast she'll be able to eat for a month

As in that's the only TYPE of breakfast. I assume

[Clueless Morgan]

Honestly I don't know how to get my nieces to actually do something without getting rough with them, though that's probably more a sign that I don't relly know how to deal with unruly children. They won't go sit in a corner, and if I take their stuff they just keep whining to get it back. Like when one niece kept dropping her tablet on the ground because her hands were full of other stuff. I took the tablet and told her she would have to choose to hold the stuffed cat or the tablet. Instead she just kept whining to get the tablet back until my mom told me to return it. In her defense, though, they were actually about to leave the house and the niece was allowed to take the tablet to the car.

I have no experience with kids, either, (it's like training a dog, though, right? :p) but if you take something away from them as a punishment (like a privileged item (a tablet or gaming console that isn't vital to their survival) or activity (like going to the movies with friends)) and then ten minutes later give it back to them because they're whining, all they learn is that if they whine long enough, loud enough and annoyingly enough then they'll get their stuff back.

IMO, if they were about to leave and her tablet had to go home with her, I would have given the tablet to the parent or person returning them home and tell them that it was taken away because she was disobeying and that it would be a good idea to not return it to her until the next day, or until she stops acting up. Then it's out of your hands and if they give it back to her right away they have to reap the consequences because you followed through with your punishment - you did not give the tablet back.

You can still be the bringer of fun while maintaining discipline and reinforcing positive behaviors. Those things aren't antithetical.

[The Grand Nudger]

Spanking a kid is barbaric, but starving them into submission is..........what, exactly?

What Luckie said was

Tell her that if she doesn't eat her breakfast this morning, then that's the only breakfast she'll be able to eat for a month

As in that's the only TYPE of breakfast. I assume

Hey, hey, I'm not saying it's not a solid idea, and it's a tool in my kit as well. I just wanted to provide an alternative to the echo chamber. I could add conditions and modifiers to spanking as well. No matter what modifiers I add, I'm still spanking their asses; and withholding food is still forcing compliance by means of hunger.

[Esquilax]

Our of interest, do you have kids?

Luckie's asleep right now, but I can answer that question: she doesn't, but for an extended period of time she was a live-in caretaker of her sister's two young kids, so she's not speaking from a position of ignorance on this issue. Actually, she's been looking after kids for about as long as I've known her.

[Losty]

What Luckie said was
As in that's the only TYPE of breakfast. I assume

Hey, hey, I'm not saying it's not a solid idea, and it's a tool in my kit as well. I just wanted to provide an alternative to the echo chamber. I could add conditions and modifiers to spanking as well. No matter what modifiers I add, I'm still spanking their asses; and withholding food is still forcing compliance by means of hunger.

Rhythm sugar honey baby cakes, no. She's not saying withhold food. She's saying eat your cereal now or you're going to have cereal every day for breakfast for a month. That isn't forcing compliance by means of hunger.


My older 2 kids have struggled with the food thing so much. They're both tiny and they don't like to eat. It's not that they're picky they just don't eat. My initial plan was to never force eating. I don't think it's healthy to make a kid eat when they're not hungry. Then my kids had to be put on medication that increased their appetites. They had strict diets and they had to eat all of their food so they'd have the right calorie intake. It was a huge struggle for a long time. I never considered any form of discipline in this area (maybe I was/am wrong for that I don't know), but as it's a health issue and not as much a behavioral one (May have been somewhat behavioral who knows) I just struggle through it trying to be positive about it.

Being a parent is not easy. No one has all the right answers. You just have to find what works for your family. If a light spanking is what works, well it makes me sad but I will try super hard not to judge you. If you take it beyond that (hard spanking, paddle, bare bottom, belt) well I consider that child abuse.

[The Grand Nudger]

I think that a kid who refuses to eat the cereal would disagree Losty. There are some pretty epic hunger strike stories in my family that center around that particular tactic.
(I'll beat my kids senseless to stop them from endangering themselves or others, unapologetically. I've been down this road on the boards before. Chances are, if we hashed it out you wouldn't judge or disagree with -my- use of force. Others use it differently. Again, just putting out the dissenting opinion in search of better conversation. These threads always end up looking like a bunch of rubes banging their heads against a pew together)

[Chad32]

Hey, hey, I'm not saying it's not a solid idea, and it's a tool in my kit as well. I just wanted to provide an alternative to the echo chamber. I could add conditions and modifiers to spanking as well. No matter what modifiers I add, I'm still spanking their asses; and withholding food is still forcing compliance by means of hunger.

Rhythm sugar honey baby cakes, no. She's not saying withhold food. She's saying eat your cereal now or you're going to have cereal every day for breakfast for a month. That isn't forcing compliance by means of hunger.


My older 2 kids have struggled with the food thing so much. They're both tiny and they don't like to eat. It's not that they're picky they just don't eat. My initial plan was to never force eating. I don't think it's healthy to make a kid eat when they're not hungry. Then my kids had to be put on medication that increased their appetites. They had strict diets and they had to eat all of their food so they'd have the right calorie intake. It was a huge struggle for a long time. I never considered any form of discipline in this area (maybe I was/am wrong for that I don't know), but as it's a health issue and not as much a behavioral one (May have been somewhat behavioral who knows) I just struggle through it trying to be positive about it.

Being a parent is not easy. No one has all the right answers. You just have to find what works for your family. If a light spanking is what works, well it makes me sad but I will try super hard not to judge you. If you take it beyond that (hard spanking, paddle, bare bottom, belt) well I consider that child abuse.

That's a weird issue in my opinion. One day they'll like something, then the next they'll insist they don't. You don't want to overfeed them, but if they don't eat enough then they'll get sick. It doesn't seem like the kind of thing that should ever be an issue, but it is.

[The Grand Nudger]

Yeah, it's hard cooking for kids who will devour a meal one day and the next day decide, for whatever arcane reason, that it's roughly equivalent to dogshit. lol. That's why you gotta keep 40lbs of chicken nuggets and 3 gallons of ketchup on hand at all times.

I made some sauteed crappie (it's a fish) with harissa bulgar pilaf and steamed veggies (all from my garden and my nets - minus the bulgar - don't tell fish and game) for me and the wife last night. I wasn't going to waste that on my little swine. They bellied up to a trough of the usual, see above.

[Chad32]

I don't know what any of that stuff is. :p