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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:00 pm
(October 6, 2014 at 3:54 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: Well I think it is the parents' fault if they get pregnant in the first place Then why are you so adamant about taking away one of their options for dealing with it?
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:01 pm
No but really, I'm interested to hear Carm's views on rape. Does 'personhood at conception' apply to pregnancies from rape as well? Or is the fetus/person, who at your own admission had no choice in the matter, able to be aborted?
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:02 pm
Only around 4% of rapes lead to pregnancy. Having an abortion after a rape doesn't make any sense, you are murdering someone who didn't take part. If someone attacks you the xhild of the attacker is never killed.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:02 pm
So women who are raped cannot have abortions? And..where the hell did you get that 4% number from?
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:02 pm
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(October 6, 2014 at 4:00 pm)Tonus Wrote: (October 6, 2014 at 3:54 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: Well I think it is the parents' fault if they get pregnant in the first place Then why are you so adamant about taking away one of their options for dealing with it? I don't count murdering the problem as a way of solving it.
(October 6, 2014 at 4:02 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: So women who are raped cannot have abortions? And..where the hell did you get that 4% number from?
I read it somewhere.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:03 pm
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(October 6, 2014 at 4:00 pm)ShaMan Wrote: (October 6, 2014 at 3:58 pm)Chas Wrote: What does that even mean? The DNA of the fetus is not the same as the mother's. How are they 'one'? We're all one - all of life is one - everything.
That's really groovy, man. Far out. Like, wow.
(October 6, 2014 at 4:02 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: So women who are raped cannot have abortions? And..where the hell did you get that 4% number from?
He must be talking about 'legitimate rape'.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:06 pm
(October 6, 2014 at 4:02 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: (October 6, 2014 at 4:00 pm)Tonus Wrote: Then why are you so adamant about taking away one of their options for dealing with it? I don't count murdering the problem as a way of solving it. I think it's only murder in C4RM5 City, and they can just stay out of that place.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:07 pm
(October 6, 2014 at 4:02 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: (October 6, 2014 at 4:00 pm)Tonus Wrote: Then why are you so adamant about taking away one of their options for dealing with it? I don't count murdering the problem as a way of solving it.
(October 6, 2014 at 4:02 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: So women who are raped cannot have abortions? And..where the hell did you get that 4% number from?
I read it somewhere.
Just answer it plainly. Do you think women who get pregnant as a result of rape (or incest) should be allowed to have abortions?
Also, 'read it somewhere'? Are you fucking kidding me Carm? Have you not been paying attention in any conversation you've had on this site ever? Oh wait, of course you haven't.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:09 pm
The conclusion that I came up with is common sense to me, killing an unborn children because you were raped will not make you feel any better afterwards.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:10 pm
(October 6, 2014 at 4:03 pm)Chas Wrote: (October 6, 2014 at 4:00 pm)ShaMan Wrote: We're all one - all of life is one - everything.
That's really groovy, man. Far out. Like, wow.
Had a flashback to the 60's, man.
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