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Why Something Rather Than Nothing?
#61
RE: Why Something Rather Than Nothing?
(October 23, 2014 at 2:08 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Get your bald assertions here! A dollar each or three for $2.50!

I prefer my assertions with hair. Or at least a landing strip.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#62
RE: Why Something Rather Than Nothing?
Sawdust and plank Datc, sawdust and plank.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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#63
RE: Why Something Rather Than Nothing?
(October 23, 2014 at 2:07 pm)datc Wrote:
(October 23, 2014 at 1:33 pm)Heywood Wrote: The problem with this argument is it assumes that only one configuration exist. Perhaps all configurations exist and since we are in this one, we observe this one. No choice was made, it was simply an evitable consequence of all configurations existing. Since I could use this same argument to "prove" a multiverse its not really a proof of God.
All configurations cannot exist, because only an infinite number of ideal things can exist (in the mind); not an infinite number of real things (out there).

And you have came to this conclusion how?
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#64
RE: Why Something Rather Than Nothing?
(October 23, 2014 at 1:59 pm)Surgenator Wrote:
(October 23, 2014 at 1:32 pm)Surgenator Wrote: That flawed reasoning is not affected by the number of possibilities. A possibility must be choosen. Whatever the chosen possibility is, it will always have a lower probability than anything else being chosen (unless the possible choices is limited to 2 or less).
Since you haven't responed. I'm going to assume your "argument from particularity" is wrong.
As you can see, I am responding to practically everyone; so, if I have not responded to your point, then either I am still thinking about it, or your point is nonsense.

In this particular case, it's the latter.
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#65
RE: Why Something Rather Than Nothing?
(October 23, 2014 at 2:00 pm)datc Wrote: Far more sensible is to argue that there was an intelligence creating U for a purpose, such as (for example) the best possible world, presumably a singular thing.
Hmmm let's talk about that. Assuming that God is good, as you insist must obviously be the case, and that God has designed the universe to be an expression of this essential goodness, then that must mean that out of all conceivable universes, THIS one is maximally good. This is the best that your God has been able to conceive:

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At what point does reality infringe on your convoluted apologist acrobatics? I, for one, can't conceive of a universe in which any sensible, sentient being would look at Earth as it is, and think that the universe in which it exists is maximally good.
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#66
RE: Why Something Rather Than Nothing?
(October 23, 2014 at 2:21 pm)datc Wrote:
(October 23, 2014 at 1:59 pm)Surgenator Wrote: Since you haven't responed. I'm going to assume your "argument from particularity" is wrong.
As you can see, I am responding to practically everyone; so, if I have not responded to your point, then either I am still thinking about it, or your point is nonsense.

In this particular case, it's the latter.

If it's nonsense, then please tell me how a choice from one million possibilities vs an infinite number of possibilities affects the how the choice was picked.
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#67
RE: Why Something Rather Than Nothing?
The answer to this and all difficult questions is Cyrus, the Eternal Teddy Bear (Plush Be Upon HIM).
Dying to live, living to die.
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#68
RE: Why Something Rather Than Nothing?
I like the semantic argument againt something from nothing much better: It is not logical that nothing can create something. :-) Much shorter period of time wasted reading it.
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#69
RE: Why Something Rather Than Nothing?
(October 23, 2014 at 2:07 pm)datc Wrote: All configurations cannot exist, because only an infinite number of ideal things can exist (in the mind); not an infinite number of real things (out there).

Why can't an infinite number of real things exist?
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#70
RE: Why Something Rather Than Nothing?
Good god, I gave heywood a kudos. Is this the apocalypse?
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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