Trust the Bible not Science

[Drich]

From a fundy guy I was interacting with...

Basically, science is said to be better because it is constantly being proven wrong. But why should anyone place their trust in something with such a poor track record? Science is aways in flux. There is no reason to give such a high authority to it and indeed good reason to remain skeptical about so called "theories" of today which like those of yesterday end up being discarded further down the line.

The Bible on the other hand, never changes. It's message has always been consistent and unlike the "theories" of science, it has never been proven wrong nor does it contradicts as you can easily find so many scientists within the same field contradicting themselves.

Hehe, well, how to argue with such an obviously logical stance? O.o

Like anything else's go line by line and gather and provide resources (primary and secondary source material, not commentary) to disprove his position. If you believe science is Unchanging show him using a link to several examples where a few scientific proofs have and will always be.

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If you can't then maybe you should re examine the trust you place in what you understand to be 'science.'

[Thumpalumpacus]

This shows science has no idea what they are saying or doing.

... he typed on the Internet, using a computer ...

I dare you to live one full 24-hour day without using one single thing produced by the scientific endeavor.

protip: you cannot.

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If you believe science is Unchanging

I'd suggest you reread his post, as he never stated or implied this.

English much?

[Jenny A]

Science: Acknowledges it's errors and works towards fixing them.
Religion: Never acknowledges it's errors instead covers them up with more lies.

Who's more trustworthy?

Sure religion acknowledges it's errors, but only after great cultural or scientific pressure.

Thus the Catholic church has come around on the question of evolution and the Mormons have decided to admit blacks into their ranks and prohibit bigamy.

Notice that the changes are forced by science or secular morals.

[Anomalocaris]

Science: Acknowledges it's errors and works towards fixing them.
Religion: Never acknowledges it's errors instead covers them up with more lies.

Who's more trustworthy?

Sure religion acknowledges it's errors, but only after great cultural or scientific pressure.

Thus the Catholic church has come around on the question of evolution and the Mormons have decided to admit blacks into their ranks and prohibit bigamy.

Notice that the changes are forced by science or secular morals.

There is the acknowledgement that a particular deceit or conceit is no longer self serving, that is different from the acknowledgement of error in deduction and interpretation of facts out of respect for facts.

[Jenny A]

Bible remains steady in the face of a changing world. The true word of God never changed. Science is laughable. One moment, they say that the world started with a bang and the next moment, they say "oh it really did not start, it was just a creation of another universe within multiverses." As if they were there when the bang occurred.



Utter bull crap. This shows science has no idea what they are saying or doing.

If the results of science are utter crap, give them up:

Don't drive. Get off the net. Disconnect the electricity. Turn off the gas main. Don't drink the water from the treatment plant. Don't eat genetically modified plants. Don't visit the doctor. Stay away from the drugstore. Oh, and walk around bridges as they may fall and stay out of buildings over four stories or so. Don't use plastic products. I could go on and on and on.

Compare material wealth, comfort, safety, and longevity of life in the bronze age to life in the present--that's the gift of science.

[ThomM]

Actually - that IS the problem with the bible - It never changes - and it CLEARLY shows that it is nothing more the the beliefs of a bunch of cave dwellers and nomad herders who did not actually know how the earth existed. The earth is NOT a circle - it is a sphere.

However - as things are found to be NOT TRUE in the bible -the theists change their interpretation or simply ignore the bible

However
But the christ supposedly said

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

“...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35

These are all quotes of the New Testament - supporting that the old testament should still apply

And in the Old Testament there are instructions on how to properly sell your daughter into slavery- Supported in the new testament by the christ saying how slaves should be treated.

And in the New Testament - 1 Timothy 2 - it says -that the christ will NOT ALLOW any woman to have any power or authority over a man - but she should be SILENT - and Submissive BECAUSE it was "Eve" who committed the sin - not Adam.

Sorry - but you see - YOU do not actually believe in the bible - Only parts of it - even only parts of the new testament.

[vorlon13]

Thus the Catholic church has come around on the question of evolution and the Mormons have decided to admit blacks into their ranks and prohibit bigamy.

Notice that the changes are forced by science or secular morals.

The Mormon change regarding blacks and their priesthood in LDS is a curious thing. AFAIK, all the Mormon scripture, Bible, Doctrines and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price and Book of Mormon have remain unchanged in regards to the racial content. The 'liberalization', if I may, was accomplished by executive fiat.

While I support equal treatment, I have a concern with a faith that is keeping a tremendous amount of putrid (and VERY wacky in places) racial crappola in the operating manuals, and relying, essentially, on a small asterix on their billboard and a small paragraph written in pencil on a 3X5 index card thumb tacked to the bulletin board to guaranty equal rights under their roof for all.

[Esquilax]

This shows science has no idea what they are saying or doing.

... he typed on the Internet, using a computer ...

I dare you to live one full 24-hour day without using one single thing produced by the scientific endeavor.

protip: you cannot.

Literally, he can't. It would be physically impossible: the immunity he has to various diseases are all down to vaccines, which are a product of science.

Having said that, I think the problem with Christian's worldview, and the OP's fundie friend too, is their priorities are totally out of whack. They seem to prize the firmness with which an idea is professed, over the accuracy of that idea. The bible never changes, they say, as though that was a good thing. It would be a good thing if our knowledge had never moved on, but it has, and as a consequence the bible's claims about the world have become firmly worded comedy acts.

Compare science, which yes, does change in accordance with the evidence, and does get it wrong, but as a consequence actually produces results that have revolutionized the world over and over. To the person who brings up science's constant changing as though it were a weakness, I would ask two questions:

When was the last major breakthrough, in any field, that science has produced?

When was the last major breakthrough, in any field, that the bible has produced?

The time difference between those two answers alone should be a good demonstration of what is producing more results, but for those not convinced here's a third question: Which of those two breakthroughs can you demonstrate to be real, or have real world effects?

[Minimalist]

We have already compared the benefits of theology and science. When the theologian governed the world, it was covered with huts and hovels for the many, palaces and cathedrals for the few. To nearly all the children of men, reading and writing were unknown arts. The poor were clad in rags and skins -- they devoured crusts, and gnawed bones. The day of Science dawned, and the luxuries of a century ago are the necessities of to-day. Men in the middle ranks of life have more of the conveniences and elegancies than the princes and kings of the theological times. But above and over all this, is the development of mind. There is more of value in the brain of an average man of to-day -- of a master-mechanic, of a chemist, of a naturalist, of an inventor, than there was in the brain of the world four hundred years ago.
These blessings did not fall from the skies. These benefits did not drop from the outstretched hands of priests. They were not found in cathedrals or behind altars -- neither were they searched for with holy candles. They were not discovered by the closed eyes of prayer, nor did they come in answer to superstitious supplication. They are the children of freedom, the gifts of reason, observation and experience -- and for them all, man is indebted to man.

-- Robert Green Ingersol

Fuck jesus and allah. Two useless shits.

[ThomM]

From a fundy guy I was interacting with...

Basically, science is said to be better because it is constantly being proven wrong. But why should anyone place their trust in something with such a poor track record? Science is aways in flux. There is no reason to give such a high authority to it and indeed good reason to remain skeptical about so called "theories" of today which like those of yesterday end up being discarded further down the line.

The Bible on the other hand, never changes. It's message has always been consistent and unlike the "theories" of science, it has never been proven wrong nor does it contradicts as you can easily find so many scientists within the same field contradicting themselves.

Hehe, well, how to argue with such an obviously logical stance? O.o

Well - then if the bible has NEVER been proven wrong - then - based on the bible - I ask you to PROVE that statement by EATING a large bunch of Oleander seeds. Since the god left ALL OF THE seed bearing plants for humans for food - YOU should not be killed by this POISON .