What ISIS Really Wants

[Thumpalumpacus]

It seems to me they want some head.

There are few problems in life that cannot be solved by a good piece of ass.

[CristW]

(ISIS) --> Islamic State!

They want an Islamic State (Khilafah).

An Islamic State which puts people into categories. This category has a tax system (Jizyah and on top of the other taxes which Muslims themselves have to pay), the tax system forces people to accept Islam. In reality, it means people will be punished for how they think and what they think.

Imagine if everyone accepted Islam. All of humanity gave allegiance to Baghdadi. Well, let's say we all declared PURE Islam.

Would there still be sects and cults in Islam?

1. There would be a centralized banking system (No usury/No private banks)!
2. Females will not have the same human rights as males. (No female rulers / Males are allowed to marry up to four wives)!
3. No statues and no arts!
4. Possibly half the population will be memorizing the Qur'an. The rest will be workers for some kind of building projects (There is a possibility there will be no 2nd story buildings). And some will be in the police force to make sure Islam is enforced throughout their lives. A religious cleric class will be in existence also
5. No sports.
6. No space programs and sciences will probably disappear and possibly utilized to prove verses from the Qur'an are real.
7. Not sure if Baghdadi believes in Jesus return? Probably the previous question will be the next purging issue? Since there are conflicting hadiths concerning this issue.

*Categorizing issue concerning females will still be existing in this ideal Islamized global world.*

Categorization of humanity will still exist:

1. Imam/Khilafah = Ruler of the muslims and/or human race (Male).
2. Religious clerics class
3. Police class (enforcing the social order).
4. Science class (utilized to enforce the Islamic social codes/ for instance science and technology being perverted to manipulate the human race).
5. People of memorizing the Qur'an class.
6. Prison class (Those put in prison for violating a simple order like not stopping activity when call to prayer has commenced, yes possibly many so-called Muslims, and also Muslims who forgot to pay a particular tax, muslims put in jail for ideas not accepted by those above them).
7. Female class (Used for child birthing only).

* Liberal Democracy has been working, even though imperfect, trying to remove these categorizations over the years*

[robvalue]

They want shoving in a hole and sealing it up.

[Gawdzilla]

"We will conquer your Rome, break your crosses, and enslave your women. If we do not reach that time, then our children and grandchildren will reach it, and they will sell your sons as slaves at the slave market."
— chief ISIS spokesperson Sheikh Abu Muhammad al-Adnani

[Brian37]

All religions, in all of human history are poison. They stem from our species failure to understand that we are flawed in our perceptions.

Again, use of that word is not a call to force religion out of existence as if you could. It is simply a recognition that without attending the campfire it can and will spread out of control. Isis is religion based just like the dark ages was under Christianity.

The only containment humans have is the ability to put a secular leash on all religions.

[Homeless Nutter]

What ISIS secretly wants - and most other religious organizations want the same - is to kill their permissive "mother" (modern civilization) and have sex with their absent, abusive "father" (god), which is an interesting twist on Oedipus complex described by Freud. Sexual repression is one of the main causes of fanatism and one of its main tools.

[JuliaL]

ISIS doesn't want anything.

Neither does General Motors, Murica or Islam.
To think that a religio/political movement has individual conscious personal volition is the sort of anthropomorphizing thought that led to the Citizen's United decision (95% pure evil.) ISIS is not self aware and therefore not capable of wanting anything.

The individuals involved do want. The actions of the whole are guided by a weighted summation of the choices of the member individuals based on their desires. That sum is not equivalent to a conscious choice by some single person. We just think that way because it is intuitive and convenient. A central dogma in each case can guide the consensual decision. Attacking that dogma is a difficult task because it is so diffusely held in the population. Decapitation attacks on poorly defended ideological leaders (cartoonists) is one strategy which, for the Islamic extremist without significant backing resources, has high appeal because of its efficiency. The mirror problem, attacking ISIS leaders, is difficult because they are hard to find and relatively easy to replace and it would be a horrible precedent for the 1% in our society to condone killing the 1% in any other society no matter how despicable.

It remains to be seen if ISIS will hang together and govern well enough to be more than a nuisance threat to the West. Currently they have enough money to co-opt some of the West's technologies (e.g. to buy ammunition for their ubiquitous AK-47s supplied by the Soviets to Hezbollah, captured by the Israelis, sold to the Americans to supply to the Mujahideen fighting the Soviets in 1980s Afghanistan. But unless they build or buy some industry, they are burning through their venture capital so fast that they are going to fade as an existential danger. They could continue as a proxy to some richer group (Saudis) but only if they can tone down their barbarous publicity stunts. At the moment, I don't know anybody who wants to associate with them, not even the Egyptian military.

[troll]
Similarly, nobody seems to like my strategy of unannounced missile attacks on mosques and madrasas. There seems to be a hesitance to randomly kill clerics and small children. I don't know why.
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[robvalue]

I would imagine that being killed in battle as a glorious death figures in somewhere.

[JuliaL]

I would imagine that being killed in battle as a glorious death figures in somewhere.

That could be a form of altruism to save their buddies in the platoon (I think that is still thought of as a form of kin selection.)

Or it could be that the survivors just breed better as their fellow berserker competition gets killed off.

Too bad the Lysistrata strategy (you aren't gettin' any unless you chill, dude) hasn't proven very effective in reducing violence. It's too hard on everybody.

[Mister Agenda]

IS is a criminal organization that supports terrorism and extreme Salafism. They are hard to understand if you don't keep the 'criminal organization' part in mind. They're making a million buck a day off oil resources they've seized. They commit atrocities to attract global attentiion which is cheap advertising for their recruiters. They need to present themselves as the toughest, most ruthless gang in the region to get the thousands of young men in their teens and early twenties coming in to replace the ones lost to fighting and airstrikes. ISIS pays foriegn fighters about a $1,000 a month, that's better money than a lot of those kids have ever seen. Organizations perpetuate themselves, and and the IS package is a brand and a business as well as a ruthless terrorist organization.