Supreme Court Same Sex Marriage Argumet

[A Theist]

If their views are negatively affecting the business they chose to start, maybe they should think about changing their views, or at least not publicly stating them.

They shouldn't have to be bullied and harassed into silence just to appease the radicals who disagree with them in the first place. The very people who demand tolerance and claim to champion freedom of speech are the very ones trying to shut down anyone who disagrees with them. No. They shouldn't have to be silent or be made to feel that they have to compromise their convictions for appeasement's sake.

[Longhorn]

Dude. They don't have to make their private beliefs their business policy. Bigotry doesn't attract customers. How do you suggest to bring clients to a place owned by discriminatory, hateful people? Come on.

[Mr.wizard]

If their views are negatively affecting the business they chose to start, maybe they should think about changing their views, or at least not publicly stating them.

They shouldn't have to be bullied and harassed into silence just to appease the radicals who disagree with them in the first place. The very people who demand tolerance and claim to champion freedom of speech are the very ones trying to shut down anyone who disagrees with them. No. They shouldn't have to be silent or be made to feel that they have to compromise their convictions for appeasement's sake.

They don't have to be silent, but if your going to spout off about not liking certain groups of people then expect people who disagree to spout off right back at you. Its strange, you don't want people to boycott businesses for the owners views but your perfectly fine with a business owner boycotting customers for their views.

[Saxmoof]

What is this "bullying and harassment"? I haven't followed these stories all that closely but as far as i'm aware the only pushback against anti-gay businesses has been boycotting - how can you have a problem with that, freedom of speech doesn't mean the right to have everyone agree with you, you can't expect people to not take their business elsewhere once they know that it's supporting someone who holds an opinion they find disgusting

[rexbeccarox]

If their views are negatively affecting the business they chose to start, maybe they should think about changing their views, or at least not publicly stating them.

They shouldn't have to be bullied and harassed into silence just to appease the radicals who disagree with them in the first place. The very people who demand tolerance and claim to champion freedom of speech are the very ones trying to shut down anyone who disagrees with them. No. They shouldn't have to be silent or be made to feel that they have to compromise their convictions for appeasement's sake.

I would say the majority who don't agree with them don't bully or harass. Most just boycott. That's what I do. I'd actually rather them be vocal about their views so I know not to do business with them. It's pretty simple.

[A Theist]

They shouldn't have to be bullied and harassed into silence just to appease the radicals who disagree with them in the first place. The very people who demand tolerance and claim to champion freedom of speech are the very ones trying to shut down anyone who disagrees with them. No. They shouldn't have to be silent or be made to feel that they have to compromise their convictions for appeasement's sake.

They don't have to be silent, but if your going to spout off about not liking certain groups of people then expect people who disagree to spout off right back at you. Its strange, you don't want people to boycott businesses for the owners views but your perfectly fine with a business owner boycotting customers for their views.

Where did I say anything about not liking certain groups of people? Just because someone disagrees with gay marriage, i.e., doesn't mean that individual dislikes or hates gays, personally. My original point was, that if businesses, business owners, people of faith and anyone else who opposes gay marriage are being harassed, bullied, or boycotted, then turn about is fair play.  I personally would support an organized effort to boycott businesses that I know who supports leftist causes and also to boycott businesses which bow to leftist pressure.

[Regina]

^Well that's a different case if it comes to harassment or violence, which are actually crimes and can be dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

Yes, I do actually think these people should have free speech to say "I don't agree with gay marriage". I don't want to see people with their mouths gagged, even if what they have to say is utter shite. However, if you're going to argue that their views must be protected from negative response and criticism that is also a violation of free speech. I don't think many people are saying it should be criminalised to say "I think marriage is between a man and a woman", but everything you say has consequences and if people disagree with you, they also have free speech to let that be known. You can't selectively protect some peoples' free speech while restricting others.

What these people are asking for is free speech, but they want that free speech to only apply to themselves. That's religion all over, play the victim card when it suits.

[Mr.wizard]

They don't have to be silent, but if your going to spout off about not liking certain groups of people then expect people who disagree to spout off right back at you. Its strange, you don't want people to boycott businesses for the owners views but your perfectly fine with a business owner boycotting customers for their views.

Where did I say anything about not liking certain groups of people? Just because someone disagrees with gay marriage, i.e., doesn't mean that individual dislikes or hates gays, personally.  My original point was, that if businesses, business owners, people of faith and anyone else who opposes gay marriage are being harassed, bullied, or boycotted, then turn about is fair play.  I personally would support an organized effort to boycott businesses that I know who supports leftist causes and also to boycott businesses which bow to leftist pressure.

Fine, maybe like was the wrong word, just replace it with discrimination and the point still stands. I get your point, of course its fair play, everyone has the right to boycott they always have.

There is a reason you don't see to people lining up to boycott businesses that are pro equal rights, because generally people support equal rights.

[Elskidor]

Congratulations America! It's about bloody time!

[A Theist]

^Well that's a different case if it comes to harassment or violence, which are actually crimes and can be dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

Yes, I do actually think these people should have free speech to say "I don't agree with gay marriage". I don't want to see people with their mouths gagged, even if what they have to say is utter shite. However, if you're going to argue that their views must be protected from negative response and criticism that is also a violation of free speech. I don't think many people are saying it should be criminalised to say "I think marriage is between a man and a woman", but everything you say has consequences and if people disagree with you, they also have free speech to let that be known. You can't selectively protect some peoples' free speech while restricting others.

What these people are asking for is free speech, but they want that free speech to only apply to themselves. That's religion all over, play the victim card when it suits.

However, if you're going to argue that their views must be protected from negative response and criticism that is also a violation of free speech.

 No, I'm not arguing that point at all. I'm just saying that if pro gay marriage activists, i.e., for one, want to threaten businesses with boycotts or threaten and harass people they disagree with, then turn about is fair play. I would support an organized effort to combat such activists at their game. In other words, use their own tactics of bullying and harassment against them and against the businesses who support their efforts.