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Does human life have INHERENT value?
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 (June 21, 2015 at 7:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: To be fair, part of our "belief in God" is the belief that dying is just the transition into the next, eternal life. Then why would you place value on your corporeal life? You should rejoice when a woman gets an abortion. You should be thrilled that the folks in the church shooting were killed. After all, it's just a transition to eternal life.  (June 21, 2015 at 4:08 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Do you, as atheists, believe that human life has inherent value? (this means human life has value, in and of itself, unconditionally) Because every human mind produces unique thoughts.  (June 21, 2015 at 7:52 pm)KUSA Wrote:(June 21, 2015 at 7:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: To be fair, part of our "belief in God" is the belief that dying is just the transition into the next, eternal life. Because life is sacred. An afterlife doesn't take away this fact.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh Does human life have INHERENT value?
June 21, 2015 at 8:57 pm
(This post was last modified: June 21, 2015 at 8:57 pm by KUSA.)
If life is so valuable and sacred it's funny that God aborts multitudes of fetuses. It's also funny that God allows multitudes of people to starve to death.
It's even more funny how God killed millions of people in the OT. Men, women, and especially children. I fail to see the inherent value of human life based on what God does. 
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(June 21, 2015 at 8:57 pm)KUSA Wrote: If life is so valuable and sacred it's funny that God aborts multitudes of fetuses. It's also funny that God allows multitudes of people to starve to death. God is not a micromanager . He gave us free will. He allows nature to take its course. I cannot comment on your argument in regards to the OT stories. As I said in other threads, I believe the OT stories are written allegorically and not literally. Many (but not all) Catholics hold this view. The Church allows each individual to form their own opinion about this.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh 
No. Nothing has inherent value. Value is placed on thing from outside.
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 RE: Does human life have INHERENT value?
June 21, 2015 at 9:41 pm
(This post was last modified: June 21, 2015 at 9:57 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(June 21, 2015 at 9:03 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: God is not a micromanager . He gave us free will. He allows nature to take its course. That's an unproven assertion built upon another unproven assertion, which in turn is based on yet another unproven assertion. Do you actually have anything with any measure of DEMONSTRABLE substance? Perhaps you might extend your initial assertion a little an arrive at the conclusion if it appears God is letting nature taking its course, it's because there is no God to prevent nature from taking its course. RE: Does human life have INHERENT value?
June 21, 2015 at 9:54 pm
(This post was last modified: June 21, 2015 at 9:59 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(June 21, 2015 at 9:52 pm)KUSA Wrote:(June 21, 2015 at 9:03 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: As I said in other threads, I believe the OT stories are written allegorically and not literally. All earthly life has intrinsic value except when it is inconvenient for the Catholic Church to let that life be preserved, in which case Catholic Church would just kill it in as painful a way as humans have ever contrived in the name of saving its "soul", while suddenly becoming all quiet about its "value". |
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