Fact, every single german nazi was a christian

[abaris]

Hitler most definitely a god believer, Invoked him at various times during speeches.

He wasn't an atheist and he wasn't a christian. As I said, making blanket statements about the Nazi movement - at least when it comes to religion - is utter garbage. It was all over the board..

[Nay_Sayer]

Hitler most definitely a god believer, Invoked him at various times during speeches.

He wasn't an atheist and he wasn't a christian. As I said, making blanket statements about the Nazi movement - at least when it comes to religion - is utter garbage. It was all over the board..

That's why I said god believer and did not specify.

[Deepthunk]

One of the worst aspects of religious prejudice is the way religious bigots will often just sit around making up excuses for their hate that really just amount to false accusation after false accusation. Like Pat Robertson claiming gay people have special rings with hidden needles that prick people and give them aids, or the little religious cartoon books Christians often put in phones booths and other public places which claim things like witches are abducting children’s pets to sacrifice to the devil, or the flagrantly false claim that every dictator in history was an atheist.

It’s plain as day why these statements are bigoted and intended solely to spread irrational hatred, and it is furthermore plain to see that these statements are false, yet religious people just repeat these and a hundred other similarly prejudice claims again and again without any concern that their false.

Now in light of the above, can you see why it angers and frustrates me to have a room supposedly full of atheist ignore the plain fact that hitler was a catholic when a mountain of evidence that this is true is placed right before you, and instead you search for any thread of an excuse to claim it’s not so and validate the false religious propaganda spread by people who hate the person you claim to be?

Can you see why I would think that some of you are not the atheists or agnostics you claim to be?

Or are you self-hating atheists and agnostics?

[downbeatplumb]

Question for the atheists:
Assuming you take the stance that objective morality does not exist -- in other words, morality is subjective -- what was wrong with Hitler's actions?
I don't see how you can say Hitler was wrong, since it is your opinion against Hitler's.

Hitler and the Nazis actions were wrong due to the prevailing morality in Twentieth Century Western society. If he'd committed these crimes in ancient more religious times he would not be seen to have been doing much wrong. The killing of jews was standard procedure in the middle ages. We English were early pioneers in this. Jews only returned to England with the ascent of Oliver Cromwell.

[Deepthunk]

Question for the atheists:
Assuming you take the stance that objective morality does not exist -- in other words, morality is subjective -- what was wrong with Hitler's actions?
I don't see how you can say Hitler was wrong, since it is your opinion against Hitler's.

Hitler and the Nazis actions were wrong due to the prevailing morality in Twentieth Century Western society. If he'd committed these crimes in ancient more religious times he would not be seen to have been doing much wrong. The killing of jews was standard procedure in the middle ages. We English were early pioneers in this. Jews only returned to England with the ascent of Oliver Cromwell.

The issue here is that christian revisionists have claimed again and again that hitler was an atheist and it just isn't true, he was plainly a catholic. I wouldn't hold all Christians responsible for his actions, but the problem here is that Christians have not only made the false claim hitler was an atheist but also that he is indicative of our behavior, and both statements are not only the exact opposite of the truth, they are no less than hate filled lies. but as if that weren't enough, they go on to make the false claim that every dictator in history was an atheist to promote the idea that every member of this tiny minority is just horribly evil and it just isn't so, obviously.

Atheism ironically represents one of the smallest and least spoken for religious minorities in the country and world, and these false statements Christians keep making to claim all the most evil people in history were atheist are clearly intended solely to spread sheer, blind, irrational hatred for this incredibly small minority that i just happen to be a member of. and this is being done solely because a handful of religious leaders are afraid they might loose their gravy train because we convince people not to believe in their god, and thus not to go to their churches and donate them money for doing little or nothing.

do you understand?

[downbeatplumb]

Hitler and the Nazis actions were wrong due to the prevailing morality in Twentieth Century Western society. If he'd committed these crimes in ancient more religious times he would not be seen to have been doing much wrong. The killing of jews was standard procedure in the middle ages. We English were early pioneers in this. Jews only returned to England with the ascent of Oliver Cromwell.

The issue here is that christian revisionists have claimed again and again that hitler was an atheist and it just isn't true, he was plainly a catholic. I wouldn't hold all Christians responsible for his actions, but the problem here is that Christians have not only made the false claim hitler was an atheist but also that he is indicative of our behavior, and both statements are not only the exact opposite of the truth, they are no less than hate filled lies. but as if that weren't enough, they go on to make the false claim that every dictator in history was an atheist to promote the idea that every member of this tiny minority is just horribly evil and it just isn't so, obviously.

Atheism ironically represents one of the smallest and least spoken for religious minorities in the country and world, and these false statements Christians keep making to claim all the most evil people in history were atheist are clearly intended solely to spread sheer, blind, irrational hatred for this incredibly small minority that i just happen to be a member of. and this is being done solely because a handful of religious leaders are afraid they might loose their gravy train because we convince people not to believe in their god, and thus not to go to their churches and donate them money for doing little or nothing.

do you understand?

Are you talking to me here? because I get it.

[abaris]

Atheism ironically represents one of the smallest and least spoken for religious minorities in the country and world.

Which is bullshit in itself, since atheism isn't a religion. In fact, you're playing into the hands of those believers, who go on and on about atheism being a religion. I'm not part of a religious minority, since I'm simply not religious and don't belong to a group. I simply don't believe.

Countering uninformed bullshit with even more uninformed bullshit isn't going to work.

[wintertao]

I read the bio of German General named Erich von Manstein who came up with the plan for invading France among other things...
in his bio he says his son who dies in the war fighting for Germany "Was a good Christian"

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Anyone who knows very many Catholics knows that there are wiiiiiiiiiiiiidely varying levels of belief among those who claim the title.

Most of them are effectively as agnostic as anyone here, except on certain holidays where they "have to" attend mass, and when it comes to getting mad when someone says something bad about the home sports team religion.

Just like Stalin, and frankly like most American politicians today, Hitler was a ruthless power-monger willing to use the common belief of the German people (Catholicism) to his advantage by claiming to be one of them. A closer reading of his actual life-story, including numerous psychological evaluations of his life done during and after the war, shows that he took kernels of many elements of his upbringing to combine into a weird amalgamation of beliefs that drove his adult behavior. One of the major influences was Catholicism, but he also had a serious fetish for "ancient Germany" pagan lore, including a mistaken belief that the ancient Germans and Scandinavians were the Aryan "noble people" of the Vedas, who had once ruled a vast empire based on white power. He was taking more drugs in a given day than an average street dealer carries, including meth, administered by his personal quack physician, and was essentially batshit insane.

That's why it's too complicated an issue to say "Hitler is a Catholic", because just like Stalin is not a fair representation of our ideologies, Hitler is not a fair representation of modern-day Catholics. Those two men are murderous, power-hungry psychopaths, and both had some very strange ideas we would find merely laughable today, if not for the body-count behind them.

[abaris]

I read the bio of German General named Erich von Manstein who came up with the plan for invading France among other things...
in his bio he says his son who dies in the war fighting for Germany "Was a good Christian"

And...?

I'm sure, Manstein was a "good christian" too. But what exactly does that say about the regime? The short answer is, nothing.

Hitler was a ruthless power-monger willing to use the common belief of the German people (Catholicism) to his advantage by claiming to be one of them.

Mainstream in Germany is protestanism. Hitler stayed within the Catholic Church because he didn't want to cause any fuzz by confronting them during the war. Which is well documented in the book by Harry Picker, I mentioned much earlier.