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RE: Time
August 15, 2015 at 11:28 pm
(August 15, 2015 at 11:24 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: (August 15, 2015 at 11:15 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: How does that enter physics since this seems to be so entrenched in human affairs that it doesn't necessarily arise from that that we might use it to describe the way the cosmos works?
Are you kidding? The same applies to any two objects. If they are to meet, they need to be in the same 3-dimensional space at the same time. If they are a million years apart, they will probably be separated by a large amount of space also, depending on their motion. It's nothing unique to humans at all.
Sorry. I was just going with the other guy's definition of what time is - he said time was just how we measured motion. Care to define time for me then, so that you could make better sense to me?
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RE: Time
August 15, 2015 at 11:29 pm
(August 15, 2015 at 11:27 pm)IATIA Wrote: Here we go.
Time does not exist. Everything just is. What we regard as time is just our linear perception of these different realities that is steered by QM which has no need or regard for time and causality.
Are you joking there or is that an honest assesment of how you think things are?
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RE: Time
August 15, 2015 at 11:30 pm
(August 15, 2015 at 11:23 pm)IATIA Wrote: (August 15, 2015 at 11:16 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: That's a pretty bold claim, all underlying sarcasm aside, or I just don't understand what you mean by an "organized system of linear time" and whether it faithfully describes reality or not. 
Without causality then everything just is. All realities. An "organized system of linear time" would just be our linear perception of these realities.
Not sure what you mean by all realities. I know of only one reality, the one I always experience presently.
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RE: Time
August 15, 2015 at 11:33 pm
It seems to me that I'm asking the impossible of you guys, here. I'm not pretending in any way to not understand what you're saying, it's just that I'm reaching for different kinds of answers here. I guess it's more the fault of our current collective human scientific understanding of the world than yours in particular that I can't get satisfying answers as to what time is and how precisely it relates to the existence of the universe.
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RE: Time
August 15, 2015 at 11:39 pm
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(August 15, 2015 at 11:30 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: Not sure what you mean by all realities. I know of only one reality, the one I always experience presently.
The reality you just experienced still exists, just not your perception of it any longer. The reality that replaced the one you are no longer perceptive of existed prior to your perception of it. All realities (possibilities) exist. You only perceive any one reality at a time and that is based on the overall QM in play. As long as you are in any single reality, nothing changes and if you were to stay in that reality for 'a million years', you would never be aware of the 'passing of time'. The 'passing of time' is the change of perception from one 'reality' to the next.
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RE: Time
August 15, 2015 at 11:41 pm
(August 15, 2015 at 11:29 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: (August 15, 2015 at 11:27 pm)IATIA Wrote: Here we go.
Time does not exist. Everything just is. What we regard as time is just our linear perception of these different realities that is steered by QM which has no need or regard for time and causality.
Are you joking there or is that an honest assesment of how you think things are?
Not joking.
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RE: Time
August 15, 2015 at 11:46 pm
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RE: Time
August 15, 2015 at 11:48 pm
(August 15, 2015 at 11:30 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: I know of only one reality, the one I always experience presently.
Exactly correct. The change from one reality to the next is what we perceive as time. We 'measure' this time from the change between each reality. We perceive this change as motion.
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RE: Time
August 15, 2015 at 11:56 pm
(August 15, 2015 at 11:39 pm)IATIA Wrote: (August 15, 2015 at 11:30 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: Not sure what you mean by all realities. I know of only one reality, the one I always experience presently.
The reality you just experienced still exists, just not your perception of it any longer. The reality that replaced the one you are no longer perceptive of existed prior to your perception of it. All realities (possibilities) exist. You only perceive any one reality at a time and that is based on the overall QM in play. As long as you are in any single reality, nothing changes and if you were to stay in that reality for 'a million years', you would never be aware of the 'passing of time'. The 'passing of time' is the change of perception from one 'reality' to the next.
This is great but you're starting to sound like a New-Age nutjob, to be honest. Is this actualy science, that every possible reality exists and only our perception of the changing of these "slides" can be called time, but outside of our subjectivity, time doesn't make any sense -- might I say, to the universe itself?
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RE: Time
August 16, 2015 at 12:00 am
(August 15, 2015 at 11:46 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: Maybe this will help.
I already saw that two independent times and I never actually properly understood how distance/motion was related to time in that particular scenario - or how, in fact, it is, in all possible scenarios. I think that's just general relativity, and that's super difficult/strange, right? - At least that's why I hopelessly gave up on understanding this particular conundrum...
Maybe it doesn't really have the explanation I seek but from my experience, you can always understand something, otherwise we wouldn't talk about that something or we wouldn't have even defined it in the first place. I don't seem to be able to understand this for some reason... How is time related to motion exactly?
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