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RE: I don't think this is prejudice…
December 6, 2015 at 9:44 am
(December 6, 2015 at 8:05 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (December 5, 2015 at 10:15 pm)Judi Lynn Wrote: Typically, when a person, or a couple adopts a child, they are legally assuming all of the rights and responsibilities that the natural born parents could not or would not take on. They are spending a lot of money for the opportunity to have a family. By all rights, they deserve to have their names listed on the birth certificate because they are, in the eyes of the law, the legal parents.
Biological lineage gets tossed out the window when a child gets adopted.
Is this a factor if they needed bone marrow or some other tissue?
That was huge problem for a friend of mine. He got hit by an 18 wheeler (we have no idea how it didn't kill him) and spent 2 years in a coma after some hardcore surgery. He ended having a rare blood type and his parents had look in the frosty parts of hell for a donor.
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RE: I don't think this is prejudice…
December 6, 2015 at 10:15 am
Ok, so let's say that a heterosexual couple is adopting the baby, the father isn't the biological father, but he's adopting the baby as soon as it's born because the biological father is out of the picture. In that case, whose name goes on the birth certificate?
If it's the adoptive father's, then gay couples should be allowed to have adoptive parents' names on the birth certificate of infants they adopt. If it still has to be the biological parent (if known), then that person's name should be on the certificate regardless of who's adopting the baby, gay or otherwise.
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RE: I don't think this is prejudice…
December 6, 2015 at 11:26 am
(December 6, 2015 at 9:44 am)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: (December 6, 2015 at 8:05 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Is this a factor if they needed bone marrow or some other tissue?
That was huge problem for a friend of mine. He got hit by an 18 wheeler (we have no idea how it didn't kill him) and spent 2 years in a coma after some hardcore surgery. He ended having a rare blood type and his parents had look in the frosty parts of hell for a donor.
I thought this could be the case but had thought that maybe there may be another system so they could check for these situations. Apparently that would make too much sense.
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RE: I don't think this is prejudice…
December 6, 2015 at 11:48 am
(December 6, 2015 at 11:26 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (December 6, 2015 at 9:44 am)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: That was huge problem for a friend of mine. He got hit by an 18 wheeler (we have no idea how it didn't kill him) and spent 2 years in a coma after some hardcore surgery. He ended having a rare blood type and his parents had look in the frosty parts of hell for a donor.
I thought this could be the case but had thought that maybe there may be another system so they could check for these situations. Apparently that would make too much sense.
Dunno guess America is just weird.
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RE: I don't think this is prejudice…
December 6, 2015 at 11:52 am
(December 5, 2015 at 10:00 pm)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: So maybe it's just me I've thought that only your biological parents names should go on your birth certificate for genealogical record keeping. Or am I wrong on this?
http://youtu.be/F3Nvjqj9QlQ
Dead wrong. The number one purpose of a birth certificate is to set out who has legal custody. (I assume.)
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RE: I don't think this is prejudice…
December 6, 2015 at 11:58 am
(December 6, 2015 at 11:52 am)Whateverist the White Wrote: (December 5, 2015 at 10:00 pm)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: So maybe it's just me I've thought that only your biological parents names should go on your birth certificate for genealogical record keeping. Or am I wrong on this?
http://youtu.be/F3Nvjqj9QlQ
Dead wrong. The number one purpose of a birth certificate is to set out who has legal custody. (I assume.)
Doubtful, grandma had legal custody of my cousins from 3 to 18 and nobody changed their birth certificates.
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RE: I don't think this is prejudice…
December 6, 2015 at 12:07 pm
Yeah. I guess a birth record is just that. When were you born? Can you prove it? Sure, here is my birth record.
You might be able to rely on it as far as the mother goes but who dad is isn't anything the people delivering the baby can attest to.
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RE: I don't think this is prejudice…
December 6, 2015 at 1:03 pm
The certificate is a pretty big piece of paper, they could have two separate sections, one which states the adoptive parents and one which states the biological parents.
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RE: I don't think this is prejudice…
December 6, 2015 at 4:16 pm
On birth certificates and ID cards, where it says "mom/dad" it usually means biological parents, so there's no reason to put legal guardians - If I'm adopted by my grandma, or I am living with her most of the time, my ID card will still have my biological parents' name because that's what it says in the title - Of course, legal guardians are important, but usually the law never gives 100% similar rights to legal guardians compared to biological parents - For example, my GF is adopted and while her adoptive mom had many rights, she still needed permission from her biological dad to leave the country and go on vacation. Biological connection is legally never irrelevant, or it is irrelevant in little cases.
It's one thing to list "legal guardians", but that doesn't make you a biological parent, and from my experience most ID cards and similar documents, when saying "parents" mean biological parents merely, regardless of who takes care of you and if you like your parents or not. My GF hates her dad, but still has his name on her ID card. It's part of the legal process.
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RE: I don't think this is prejudice…
December 6, 2015 at 4:38 pm
(December 6, 2015 at 4:16 pm)Dystopia Wrote: On birth certificates and ID cards, where it says "mom/dad" it usually means biological parents, so there's no reason to put legal guardians - If I'm adopted by my grandma, or I am living with her most of the time, my ID card will still have my biological parents' name because that's what it says in the title - Of course, legal guardians are important, but usually the law never gives 100% similar rights to legal guardians compared to biological parents - For example, my GF is adopted and while her adoptive mom had many rights, she still needed permission from her biological dad to leave the country and go on vacation. Biological connection is legally never irrelevant, or it is irrelevant in little cases.
It's one thing to list "legal guardians", but that doesn't make you a biological parent, and from my experience most ID cards and similar documents, when saying "parents" mean biological parents merely, regardless of who takes care of you and if you like your parents or not. My GF hates her dad, but still has his name on her ID card. It's part of the legal process.
Maybe in Portugal, but here, for example, my parents' names have never been on any of my identification except my birth certificate. We also have a closed adoption system where adoptive parents or adoptees have no right to even know who their bio parents were.
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