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Theists, What If Your "Soul" Isn't Really Immortal?
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 (February 2, 2016 at 3:09 pm)mediocrates Wrote:(February 2, 2016 at 1:51 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: If nature has shown us anything its that if something is not really required nature will jettison it. Give it time. You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.  (February 2, 2016 at 2:45 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Then we Christians will still remain grateful for whatever amount of Grace our Creator has extended to us. He owes us nothing. We owe Him everything. So you ARE a Christian! That's what I've been wanting to know since the first time we ever exchanged posts on this forum. [emoji39]
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken. 
God of Mr. Hanky
Only 1 god, and Mr. Hanky is his profit  Religious Views: Anti-theist, and anti-authoritarian, but I love assholes (February 2, 2016 at 2:45 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Then we Christians will still remain grateful for whatever amount of Grace our Creator has extended to us. He owes us nothing. We owe Him everything. How would it be possible for you to be greatful when you have no awareness? This is the premise, that your awareness dies with your physical brain, which turns out to be the only source which is capable of sustaining that. I did promise not to challenge the validity of theological ideas on this thread, but bear in mind that what the above premise may imply is that the god which you believe in doesn't really exist.
Mr. Hanky loves you!
God of Mr. Hanky
Only 1 god, and Mr. Hanky is his profit Religious Views: Anti-theist, and anti-authoritarian, but I love assholes (February 2, 2016 at 2:54 pm)GodCherry Wrote:(February 2, 2016 at 2:45 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Then we Christians will still remain grateful for whatever amount of Grace our Creator has extended to us. He owes us nothing. We owe Him everything. “The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.” Terry Pratchett
Mr. Hanky loves you!
 (February 2, 2016 at 2:51 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: Of course our 'creation' may mean no more to Him than my taking a dump does to me. If the microbes inhabiting my stool feel grateful, would I know? Does our gratitude mean any more to God? Why would God want our gratitude or worship? This is something I've never understood. What does he get out of it? Is the almighty creator of the universe so insecure that he needs to worship and adulation of beings lesser than him? I took part in creating my kids. I don't want their worship. I appreciate their love and gratitude, but do not feel that it is something that is owed to me.
The whole tone of Church teaching in regard to woman is, to the last degree, contemptuous and degrading. - Elizabeth Cady Stanton
 (February 2, 2016 at 8:20 pm)Cecelia Wrote:(February 2, 2016 at 2:51 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: Of course our 'creation' may mean no more to Him than my taking a dump does to me. If the microbes inhabiting my stool feel grateful, would I know? Does our gratitude mean any more to God? The christian god is kind of like Donald Trump. He just wants you to slowly drink the kool-aid. (February 2, 2016 at 8:24 pm)GodCherry Wrote: The christian god is kind of like Donald Trump. He just wants you to slowly drink the kool-aid. "You're all a bunch of losers. Now Lucifer, that was a real winner. Make Heaven Great Again! Those people down there are acting up? I'm going to send a flood and make them pay for it. We've gotta keep all the non-hebrews out of Israel. Pharaoh is a loser. They're not sending their virgins. They're sending their whores, their prostitutes, and some, I assume, are good people. Just kill them all, okay? And take the virgins for yourselves. I have a plan. I'm not going to tell you what that plan is. I work in mysterious ways, okay?" Seems legit.
The whole tone of Church teaching in regard to woman is, to the last degree, contemptuous and degrading. - Elizabeth Cady Stanton
  RE: Theists, What If Your "Soul" Isn't Really Immortal?
February 3, 2016 at 1:35 am
(This post was last modified: February 3, 2016 at 1:35 am by ignoramus.)
(February 2, 2016 at 2:55 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Hypothetical questions: If humans create an intelligent species, should we expect them to worship us. Do we have the right of life and death over them? How long do they have to worship us/praise us/be thankful to us, before they can live their own lives? That's the catch, isn't it. We won't demand anything from them. But what's to stop them from creating a religion with us as their Godly creators? They may also use this as a tool for control. Who are we to intervene. Even if we did have a creator (extremely unlikely), why would "it" want to intervene? Unless "it" created us for the sole purpose of having an army of worshipping slaves. So either way, God=bad news.
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear. 
Let me guess: then they'll never know.
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