What is 'You'?

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(This is a short video exploring what it means to exist in this world. You probably can tell that from the title but i'm required to type something and not just post a video with no desc. so yeah )

Oh man isn't that the greatest question? People take for granted that we are here, and attribute it to this or that, and life is this or that, we all argue, but no one really knows. I was going to post a thread in this area about what makes people happy but decided to post here instead. I for one have been someone that has researched a lot of corruption in my life. Almost made me cynical to a point. Personally I believe in God, and the afterlife, mostly through what people have come back through near death experiences of the afterlife and how life here actually has meaning beyond what is in the physical, and controls where are souls go.


I had a paragraph I just deleted, but point is why are people not willing in a material world to carry out murder to make the world a better place, and then sacrifice themselves for a greater cause? Not that I would, but if there was nothing in the way of thinking it would affect life after death, why are things so well behaved. I'm assuming it's a survival trait.

You seem to be talking about two different things.

Why shouldn't we murder to make the world a better place? Well murder should be the last option, but if we run out of options, and it will objectively make the world better for all human beings, then in some rare circumstances I would say it would then be acceptable.

However the common question most religious people like to ask is "If there is no punishment in the afterlife why not just murder everyone?".

Here's the thing. No one need some external threat of punishment for murdering someone. Death is ALREADY punishment. Life is it's own reward. Yes, not everything is equal and if someone murders millions like hitler he won't be punished in equivalent to the lives he took. It sucks. He's dead. It's over. Now the only thing we can do is make sure we prevent things like that from happening again. The point is that I don't care if someone faces eternal torture or not for their actions, I really don't. Their punishment is death, and because of that the suffering stopped. I don't need them to be tortured more because it's over. It won't fix anything.

I'm sorry I can't find the words right now to explain what I want to say but I hope you get what i'm trying to say.


The golden rule by no means is new from the bible. It existed thousands of years prior. "Treat your neighbor as yourself" was a universal consensus because it was the most effective and beneficial for society. It's the realization that I am a human with thoughts, feelings, and dreams, and so are you. I wouldn't want to murder someone because I am not okay being murdered.

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Oh man isn't that the greatest question? People take for granted that we are here, and attribute it to this or that, and life is this or that, we all argue, but no one really knows. I was going to post a thread in this area about what makes people happy but decided to post here instead. I for one have been someone that has researched a lot of corruption in my life. Almost made me cynical to a point. Personally I believe in God, and the afterlife, mostly through what people have come back through near death experiences of the afterlife and how life here actually has meaning beyond what is in the physical, and controls where are souls go.


I had a paragraph I just deleted, but point is why are people not willing in a material world to carry out murder to make the world a better place, and then sacrifice themselves for a greater cause? Not that I would, but if there was nothing in the way of thinking it would affect life after death, why are things so well behaved. I'm assuming it's a survival trait.

You seem to be talking about two different things.

Why shouldn't we murder to make the world a better place? Well murder should be the last option, but if we run out of options, and it will objectively make the world better for all human beings, then in some rare circumstances I would say it would then be acceptable.

However the common question most religious people like to ask is "If there is no punishment in the afterlife why not just murder everyone?".

Here's the thing. No one need some external threat of punishment for murdering someone. Death is ALREADY punishment. Life is it's own reward. Yes, not everything is equal and if someone murders millions like hitler he won't be punished in equivalent to the lives he took. It sucks. He's dead. It's over. Now the only thing we can do is make sure we prevent things like that from happening again. The point is that I don't care if someone faces eternal torture or not for their actions, I really don't. Their punishment is death, and because of that the suffering stopped. I don't need them to be tortured more because it's over. It won't fix anything.

I'm sorry I can't find the words right now to explain what I want to say but I hope you get what i'm trying to say.


The golden rule by no means is new from the bible. It existed thousands of years prior. "Treat your neighbor as yourself" was a universal consensus because it was the most effective and beneficial for society. It's the realization that I am a human with thoughts, feelings, and dreams, and so are you. I wouldn't want to murder someone because I am not okay being murdered.

I hear you, but what does the golden rule really teach if the ends justify the means, or that if you have the opportunity to do what you think is right is wrong in the eyes of others, why not still carry it out? Perhaps I'm just the devils advocate here, but if there are people that are making your life miserable, why not remove them, to make your life better? Why should they be allowed to live? Like I said I believe in the afterlife where these choices have consequences, but if people don't like others I've talked with, why not create one's own moral code and eliminate people that affect them negatively, or even if they died as a result makes the lives of those who exist after their death better by killing certain people?

Personally I don't agree with murder, but I'm really wondering why others don't, not you in particular. I know some people that feel morals are theirs to choose, and as long as they choose them, they are free.

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You seem to be talking about two different things.

Why shouldn't we murder to make the world a better place? Well murder should be the last option, but if we run out of options, and it will objectively make the world better for all human beings, then in some rare circumstances I would say it would then be acceptable.

However the common question most religious people like to ask is "If there is no punishment in the afterlife why not just murder everyone?".

Here's the thing. No one need some external threat of punishment for murdering someone. Death is ALREADY punishment. Life is it's own reward. Yes, not everything is equal and if someone murders millions like hitler he won't be punished in equivalent to the lives he took. It sucks. He's dead. It's over. Now the only thing we can do is make sure we prevent things like that from happening again. The point is that I don't care if someone faces eternal torture or not for their actions, I really don't. Their punishment is death, and because of that the suffering stopped. I don't need them to be tortured more because it's over. It won't fix anything.

I'm sorry I can't find the words right now to explain what I want to say but I hope you get what i'm trying to say.


The golden rule by no means is new from the bible. It existed thousands of years prior. "Treat your neighbor as yourself" was a universal consensus because it was the most effective and beneficial for society. It's the realization that I am a human with thoughts, feelings, and dreams, and so are you. I wouldn't want to murder someone because I am not okay being murdered.

I hear you, but what does the golden rule really teach if the ends justify the means, or that if you have the opportunity to do what you think is right is wrong in the eyes of others, why not still carry it out? Perhaps I'm just the devils advocate here, but if there are people that are making your life miserable, why not remove them, to make your life better? Why should they be allowed to live? Like I said I believe in the afterlife where these choices have consequences, but if people don't like others I've talked with, why not create one's own moral code and eliminate people that affect them negatively, or even if they died as a result makes the lives of those who exist after their death better by killing certain people?

Personally I don't agree with murder, but I'm really wondering why others don't, not you in particular. I know some people that feel morals are theirs to choose, and as long as they choose them, they are free.

That's a terrible comparison man.

Sure if it were me and one other person on the earth and that person was only making my life worse and there was never a chance that would change, maybe I would consider "removing" them to make it better. Maybe.

However if i'm say getting bullied at school, it may improve my life to kill that person in that moment, but there are many many other factors that prevent me from doing such.

1. I will get arrested, and jailed most likely for life. Which in turn will make it worse in the long run.

2. How are the families effected? I would be taking a loved one away from a family who besides that person did nothing wrong to me. As well my family will have to deal with me being sent to jail and their son killing another human being.

3. Possibly the most important. I am IMPOSING my rights over someone else's. I in that instance would be making a judgment that that person deserves to die, and that there is no hope of him correcting those mistakes in the future. Who am I to make that judgment?

There are many other reasons as well but I guess those are the main ones. It's not just all about me, or you, or whoever. You always need to consider the people around you.