Has anyone discovered a successful way to make religious people atheist?

[The Valkyrie]

"Has anyone discovered a successful way to make religious people atheist? "

Hit them with a hammer

Thats just mean!

Granted, an axe would be better.

[Won2blv]

Im just giving you my 2 cents. No matter the person, if they feel threatened they'll usually react defensively. In harmony with you OP, I strongly believe that any theist, strong or weak, needs to feel like they're not under attack

But what's an attack? This is going to be very simplistic cause my brain is getting sleepy.

If person A says "you know an orange is an apple."

and person B says "actually an orange is an orange, see here is an orange and here is an apple. You can see they are different."

person A says "Stop attacking my beliefs!"

Is that really person's B's fault for making person A feel under attack?

Well lets start with the fact that its not as simple as saying an orange is an apple. These are deeply held beliefs that are extremely personal. You have to remember that they don't see it in black and white terms like you. I think its fair to use as an example the fact that you incorrectly spelled cognitive dissonance in an earlier post. I could have made you feel stupid by pointing it out and saying that you shouldn't be using a term that you don't even know how to spell. But instead I used the correct spelling in my post without making a huge issue. I'm sure you googled it or whatever to make sure that I was correct. If I did flat out call you out, I would be right but I probably wouldn't have made you feel all warm and fuzzy about it. What I mean by that is that you'd think I was a dick if I acted like a dick about it. Right or wrong. That example is apples and oranges. So now you have to put yourself into a theist shoes, maybe they are flat our wrong in your opinion. But you can just google, "does god exist" and the answer is more than clear with no debate. So, its not necessarily person b's fault for person A feeling under attack. But again, to your OP, a more effective way to get a theist to think is to let them explain themselves in a circle without having to truly raise any objections. You can do this simply by only asking questions. Then without you knowing it, they'll do their own research. If they're honest, they'll come to the honest conclusion.

[Won2blv]

Thats just mean!

Granted, an axe would be better.

I worry about my JW friends when they annoy you on a saturday morning

[The Valkyrie]

Granted, an axe would be better.

I worry about my JW friends when they annoy you on a saturday morning  

There's a sign next to my door advising religious people not to knock if they're pushing their beliefs.

Anyway, most of my family are JoHos, too.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

I worry about my JW friends when they annoy you on a saturday morning  

There's a sign next to my door advising religious people not to knock if they're pushing their beliefs.

Anyway, most of my family are JoHos, too.

I've been getting a lot of proselytizing door-knockers lately... I think I'll post a sign on my door that says, "My time is worth $50/hour. If you intend to discuss religion with me, I will take $25 in advance, and you may speak to me for a half-hour, or $50 for the full hour. Cash only please."

[Goosebump]

But what's an attack? This is going to be very simplistic cause my brain is getting sleepy.

If person A says "you know an orange is an apple."

and person B says "actually an orange is an orange, see here is an orange and here is an apple. You can see they are different."

person A says "Stop attacking my beliefs!"

Is that really person's B's fault for making person A feel under attack?

Well lets start with the fact that its not as simple as saying an orange is an apple...

That was cute, kudos! However you could have put in a few breaks so it's easier on the eyes and to follow.

I think your describing the "ideal receptive theist" as your example theist. I don't think you'll see many of them around here. I've also never met one and over 80% of the people in my family and life are theists. 

I can ask questions and about their beliefs but by and large they have other things to worry about and just take a "god" lower case intended as a given. To them it's like gravity and it controls stuff like luck. That's the "weekend" theist I was talking about earlier. It's not a big deal to them.

In order for you to feel "under attack" you have to be invested. "Weekend" theists aren't, at least in my experience. I can empathize the shit out of their experience but when it comes to their "trusting in a luck god" who would I do that as a atheist? How would I do that without separating parts of my thoughts and cutting them off from each-other?

I can fake it. I can be like, yah lady luck, wow, guess she's on your side tonight. But it's still bullshit. Should I then bullshit somebody when engaged in debate with a theist? 

How exactly do you see a atheist "putting themselves in the shoes" of a theist? 

Also, just to bring this back up... how about the theist "putting themselves in the shoes" of an atheist? How do they do that?

What's being talked about requires a fundamentally different way of thinking. You 'can't just fake that, you can't pretend to understand somebody who actively and truly believes in some imaginary shit. Conversely you can't believe in something totally then pretend it doesn't exist.

I think what your asking is for people to be civil with each-other. aka: cut the name calling, foul language, character attacks and generalizations. I'm all for that. But you have an unrealistic expectation if you think atheists should or could "put themselves into the theists" shoes and vise versa.

[The Valkyrie]

There's a sign next to my door advising religious people not to knock if they're pushing their beliefs.

Anyway, most of my family are JoHos, too.

I've been getting a lot of proselytizing door-knockers lately... I think I'll post a sign on my door that says, "My time is worth $50/hour. If you intend to discuss religion with me, I will take $25 in advance, and you may speak to me for a half-hour, or $50 for the full hour. Cash only please."

Make sure it's real money, not those fake notes they love to use.

[Goosebump]

I've been getting a lot of proselytizing door-knockers lately... I think I'll post a sign on my door that says, "My time is worth $50/hour. If you intend to discuss religion with me, I will take $25 in advance, and you may speak to me for a half-hour, or $50 for the full hour. Cash only please."

Make sure it's real money, not those fake notes they love to use.

Is that real? Do they really give out fake money?

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Make sure it's real money, not those fake notes they love to use.

Is that real? Do they really give out fake money?

They're tracts that look like money; they leave them as tips for unsuspecting waiters. Because, y'know, that's how you get converts! 

[ApeNotKillApe]

Anyone tried that shit with me, they'd discover the fast track to Heaven.