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RE: Is There a Difference Between Trusting Scientists and Trusting Preachers?
July 14, 2016 at 10:39 am
(July 13, 2016 at 8:44 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote: In general, the comparison "why do I accept the scientists and reject the preachers?" in the OP is just nonsense as well as a false dichotomy. I accept both.
All that does is make you a rather shitty xtian.
Not to mention, it totally redefines the word "accept." But then, for them, words mean whatever they want them to mean, that way they're never wrong.
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RE: Is There a Difference Between Trusting Scientists and Trusting Preachers?
July 14, 2016 at 10:46 am
(July 14, 2016 at 10:02 am)Rhythm Wrote: Considering your repeated statements regarding evolutionary theory, the question seems more than a little bit disingenuous coming from you.
Then you fail to understand my position. A scientific fact will not conflict with religion because religion does not make scientific fact claims. If a person holds religious beliefs that are opposed to scientific fact, then they are really not true religious beliefs (perhaps a god-of-the-gaps belief) and should be discarded.
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RE: Is There a Difference Between Trusting Scientists and Trusting Preachers?
July 14, 2016 at 10:49 am
(This post was last modified: July 14, 2016 at 11:00 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Rationalization. A poor one at that. No True Religion™ makes scientific fact claims?
Religious faiths, yours included, have made many testable claims, provided a never-ending litany of "facts". You tell us that people should discard their contradictory religious beliefs, but you haven't done so anymore than you've managed to accept good science in the first place. Your objections fall upon a line entirely predicted by your religious faith.
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RE: Is There a Difference Between Trusting Scientists and Trusting Preachers?
July 14, 2016 at 10:57 am
(July 14, 2016 at 10:46 am)SteveII Wrote: (July 14, 2016 at 10:02 am)Rhythm Wrote: Considering your repeated statements regarding evolutionary theory, the question seems more than a little bit disingenuous coming from you.
Then you fail to understand my position. A scientific fact will not conflict with religion because religion does not make scientific fact claims. If a person holds religious beliefs that are opposed to scientific fact, then they are really not true religious beliefs (perhaps a god-of-the-gaps belief) and should be discarded.
OK, are you saying you don't believe in a virgin birth? a man rising from the dead? to name just two religious beliefs ...
The reason I ask is by your statement a religious person that does believe in such things as above do not have "true religious beliefs" ...
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RE: Is There a Difference Between Trusting Scientists and Trusting Preachers?
July 14, 2016 at 10:57 am
(July 14, 2016 at 10:49 am)Rhythm Wrote: Rationalization. Religious faiths, yours included, have made many testable claims, provided a never-ending litany of "facts". You tell us that people should discard their contradictory religious beliefs, but you haven't done so anymore than you've managed to accept good science in the first place.
What are my contradictory beliefs to scientific fact? If you are referring to evolution, I accept the facts of evolution and reserve judgement on the parts of the theory that are not facts. Even on the parts of the theory that are not facts, I take no religious stand that contradicts even that. That does not mean I don't have an opinion, but I know my opinion is not a scientific fact or religious claim. So again, where am I inconsistent?
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RE: Is There a Difference Between Trusting Scientists and Trusting Preachers?
July 14, 2016 at 11:01 am
(This post was last modified: July 14, 2016 at 11:06 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Another disingenuous question buttressed by outright dishonesty. You do not accept the facts of evolution, you rationalize away those facts which contradict your religious beliefs in order to feign compliance with your thoughtlessly conceived scotsman. You would have us believe that the two are unrelated, but as mentioned before..those things to which you object are predictable.
Your post record stands for itself.
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RE: Is There a Difference Between Trusting Scientists and Trusting Preachers?
July 14, 2016 at 11:09 am
(July 14, 2016 at 10:57 am)madog Wrote: (July 14, 2016 at 10:46 am)SteveII Wrote: Then you fail to understand my position. A scientific fact will not conflict with religion because religion does not make scientific fact claims. If a person holds religious beliefs that are opposed to scientific fact, then they are really not true religious beliefs (perhaps a god-of-the-gaps belief) and should be discarded.
OK, are you saying you don't believe in a virgin birth? a man rising from the dead? to name just two religious beliefs ...
The reason I ask is by your statement a religious person that does believe in such things as above do not have "true religious beliefs" ...
It is not a scientific fact that there cannot be supernatural causes to natural events. Not even close. Science cannot even comment on it.
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RE: Is There a Difference Between Trusting Scientists and Trusting Preachers?
July 14, 2016 at 11:11 am
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If some "x" makes something happen here in our world, science can comment upon it. There we see your rationalizations in full swing. Trying to remove your contradictory religious beliefs from scrutiny in the first place. At what point did you plan on following through with that business of discarding them?
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RE: Is There a Difference Between Trusting Scientists and Trusting Preachers?
July 14, 2016 at 11:17 am
(July 14, 2016 at 11:01 am)Rhythm Wrote: Another disingenuous question buttressed by outright dishonesty. You do not accept the facts of evolution, you rationalize away those facts which contradict your religious beliefs in order to feign compliance with your thoughtlessly conceived scotsman. You would have us believe that the two are unrelated, but as mentioned before..those things to which you object are predictable.
Your post record stands for itself.
For the third time, what are the facts that I am being inconsistent about? I would be happy to clarify if you have misunderstood.
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RE: Is There a Difference Between Trusting Scientists and Trusting Preachers?
July 14, 2016 at 11:20 am
Well this is the first time in a while that i've seen a "No true Scotsman" fallacy that awful.....
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