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[Mister Agenda]

Wow, you're really doing your darnedest to dance around giving your actual opinion.  You don't think I'm a criminal, but you think what I've done should be illegal.  Do you see the problem?  If these were actual humans and it was illegal to discard them, then I would definitely be a criminal deserving of jail.  It's okay.  You can say it.

Do you know how IVF works?  You have to create more embryos than you need, because they're not all going to be equally viable.  You implant the ones that have the highest chance of becoming a pregnancy.  So, not only would you have to force some woman to carry the extra embryos, those that would usually be discarded already have a high chance of becoming miscarriages.  If you believe embryos are human, there's no way to have an IVF process that wouldn't involve crimes against people.

I'm not sure why you think I'm dancing around giving my opinion. I feel I made myself very clear... twice. Yeah, I think what you did should be illegal. But while it isn't, I don't think people who did it "deserve" to go to jail for doing something that they neither have a personal ethical objection to, or is against the law. I don't know what else you want me to say.  

You seem to be trying really hard to make something that translates into 'what you did was so wrong it should be illegal and you should be in jail for it, but unfortunately, it's legal' sound nice. Not everything works better sugar-coated. I think he wanted you to say it directly instead of tiptoeing all over it.

[Minimalist]

Yeah...we noticed how against killing catholicks were with the Crusades, the Albigensians, the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre, the Wars of the Reformation.

You're against "killing" when it suits you, C/L. Stop being so holier-than-thou.  The church has murdered far more than its fair share.

That's like saying America/Americans are pro slavery because we owned slaves a couple hundred years ago. 

Sorry you think I'm being "holier-than-thou." That is not my intent.

Take a good look at the Drumpf fans running around TODAY before you are so quick to dismiss it.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/1/...reat-Again

The Ku Klux Klan makes it official, endorses Donald Trump saying 'Make America Great Again'

The fact that the church overplayed their hand and got smacked down for it says nothing about their willingness to murder "the other" if and when they can get away with it.

[mlmooney89]

I've read this thread all day (I'm at work and reading it in between customers) and I must say I thoroughly enjoyed it. Catholic Lady I know you and I are very far off on views and I won't be changing mine but I must say you do bring up food for thought and I like how you have actually debated instead of argued it all. I understand your side, despite not siding with you, so I get WHY you feel the way you do.

Also thanks to some others I've learned a lot about how science has babies lol. I might hafta go into that myself seeing how conceiving naturally is not working. I go to the doctor in January for tests. We have already decided that if nothing works and we don't get to have our own kids then we will adopt. Hell we might still adopt if we get a biological child simply to try and give another child or two a good home. But there are so many out there that are sleeping on office floors, starving, being abused... that bringing another child into the world that their parents don't want seems more cruel than aborting it to me. They can't miss what they never had and that is one less suffering person in the world. I would prefer that we took care of the living ones that feel pain opposed to those that can't but probably will. Sure they might get lucky and get adopted in a good home but that could have been another, older child, that could have been taken from a horrible situation that wasn't because the good parents want a newborn.

[abaris]

I've read this thread all day (I'm at work and reading it in between customers) and I must say I thoroughly enjoyed it. Catholic Lady I know you and I are very far off on views and I won't be changing mine but I must say you do bring up food for thought and I like how you have actually debated instead of argued it all. I understand your side, despite not siding with you, so I get WHY you feel the way you do.

I don't enjoy several threads being derailed into discussing abortion as of lately. We discussed it in threads dedicated to the topic. This thread was a train wreck right from the get go, so I don't mind as much. But it's just one out of several that has been derailed in the same direction.

So no, I don't enjoy it very much.

[mlmooney89]

I've read this thread all day (I'm at work and reading it in between customers) and I must say I thoroughly enjoyed it. Catholic Lady I know you and I are very far off on views and I won't be changing mine but I must say you do bring up food for thought and I like how you have actually debated instead of argued it all. I understand your side, despite not siding with you, so I get WHY you feel the way you do.

I don't enjoy several threads being derailed into discussing abortion as of lately. We discussed it in threads dedicated to the topic. This thread was a train wreck right from the get go, so I don't mind as much. But it's just one out of several that has been derailed in the same direction.

So no, I don't enjoy it very much.

You say that like I asked if you enjoyed it. I don't care if you enjoy it, if it was derailed, or anything because to me an interesting conversation is an interesting conversation. Sometimes you get the best convos late at night on off the wall topics.

[abaris]

You say that like I asked if you enjoyed it.

No, I say that in response to your endorsment of CL. I usually enjoy her posts as a reasonable counterweight to some of our resident theists. But it's her derailing many topics to abortion these days bothering me.

[Catholic_Lady]

You say that like I asked if you enjoyed it.

No, I say that in response to your endorsment of CL. I usually enjoy her posts as a reasonable counterweight to some of our resident theists. But it's her derailing many topics to abortion these days bothering me.

This was disappointing to read coming from you Abaris because you are someone I like on here and consider a friend.

I don't know of any other threads I've "derailed" lately besides this one which I've apologized for and moved on from. Though even with this one I wouldn't say I'm solely responsible for the derailment bc it was someone else who asked about when life starts, though I shouldn't have jumped in and given my own views on it.

[mlmooney89]

You say that like I asked if you enjoyed it.

No, I say that in response to your endorsment of CL. I usually enjoy her posts as a reasonable counterweight to some of our resident theists. But it's her derailing many topics to abortion these days bothering me.

I was going off the "so no I don't enjoy it" that made it sound like I questioned you or made a "we enjoyed it" kind of statement when I clearly said I thoroughly enjoyed it. I wasn't asking anyone to agree or disagree with how I took the whole thread.

[Whateverist]

I'm a big Abaris fan, but at the end of the day derailed threads are nothing new around here. Now I know Abaris comes from a country where the trains are said to run on time so he is probably more conditioned for things being as billed than we are.

[Catholic_Lady]

Just don't see why I'm the one being held solely responsible for it.