If God created all the good things around us then it means he created all EVIL too

[Angrboda]

When a man rapes a woman, what good that should be is that a lack of?

For a start the goods lacking in the man are decency and self-discipline. Morality hinges on the concept that it means something to be human and that humans are supposed to be a certain way. If either of those two pieces are missing, then there can only ever be facts, never values.

This may apply to moral duties, but there's more to morality than just duties. No matter how you slice it, the prohibition of immoral acts is not the lack of an appropriate moral duty. The two aren't on the same scale. There exist immoral acts which do not betray any positive duty, unless you're just defining the moral duty ad hoc as you've done here. I know you're not a physicalist, but what's lacking in the rapist is a brain which would not do such things. But having a brain which would not do such things is not itself morally good, it's neutral. There is no moral duty to be "non-rapey."

[Minimalist]

"I have made everything for my own ends, even the wicked for the day of doom." Proverbs 16:4
Read that anyway they want and it still says that he created "wicked" men just so that he can make an example out of them. I wouldn't follow that even if he fell out of the sky.

Pro

Yep, fucking yhwh is something of a prick, isn't he?  How about this one?

3 Pharaoh will think, ‘The Israelites are wandering around the land in confusion, hemmed in by the desert.’ 4 And I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and he will pursue them. But I will gain glory for myself through Pharaoh and all his army, and the Egyptians will know that I am the Lord.” So the Israelites did this.

So, the Egyptians had already let the jews go but that wasn't good enough for ole Yhwh the Bloody-Handed.  Nope.  he had to "harden the pharaoh's heart" so that he had an excuse to commit some more murders.

In law, that is called pre-meditation!

[slippery666jesus]

"I have made everything for my own ends, even the wicked for the day of doom." Proverbs 16:4
Read that anyway they want and it still says that he created "wicked" men just so that he can make an example out of them. I wouldn't follow that even if he fell out of the sky.

Pro

Yep, fucking yhwh is something of a prick, isn't he?  How about this one?

3 Pharaoh will think, ‘The Israelites are wandering around the land in confusion, hemmed in by the desert.’ 4 And I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and he will pursue them. But I will gain glory for myself through Pharaoh and all his army, and the Egyptians will know that I am the Lord.” So the Israelites did this.

So, the Egyptians had already let the jews go but that wasn't good enough for ole Yhwh the Bloody-Handed.  Nope.  he had to "harden the pharaoh's heart" so that he had an excuse to commit some more murders.

In law, that is called pre-meditation!

Agreed. I think the only reason that Christianity is as popular of a religion as it is is because christians don't bother to read the Bible.

Pro

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Yep, fucking yhwh is something of a prick, isn't he?  How about this one?



So, the Egyptians had already let the jews go but that wasn't good enough for ole Yhwh the Bloody-Handed.  Nope.  he had to "harden the pharaoh's heart" so that he had an excuse to commit some more murders.

In law, that is called pre-meditation!

Agreed. I think the only reason that Christianity is as popular of a religion as it is is because christians don't bother to read the Bible.

Pro

Jesus was a liar or not one person in the history of humanity has ever really believed in Jesus because no one has ever done what he said a true believer who does not have any doubts about him can easily do.

[Neo-Scholastic]

For a start the goods lacking in the man are decency and self-discipline. Morality hinges on the concept that it means something to be human and that humans are supposed to be a certain way. If either of those two pieces are missing, then there can only ever be facts, never values.

This may apply to moral duties, but there's more to morality than just duties. No matter how you slice it, the prohibition of immoral acts is not the lack of an appropriate moral duty. The two aren't on the same scale. There exist immoral acts which do not betray any positive duty, unless you're just defining the moral duty ad hoc as you've done here. I know you're not a physicalist, but what's lacking in the rapist is a brain which would not do such things. But having a brain which would not do such things is not itself morally good, it's neutral. There is no moral duty to be "non-rapey."

The moral duty is to cultivate virtue in ones own self so as not to commit sins of either omission or commission. Its not neutral to form the habit of doing the right thing.

[Godscreated]

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I said nothing about myself be omniscient, I'm informed by God himself who is omniscient.Being that He knows all things then what He says is reliable, thus I do not need to be omniscient only trusting.

GC

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How do you 'know' that this God you are familiar with is omniscient?

I haven't found Him lacking in any knowledge, and the One who created the universe must be all knowing to accomplish such a thing especially speaking it into existence.

GC

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Good in itself is just a word without defining properties. In your example the lack of good without it's properties would make your statement true. In the case of rape you posed, the lack of "respect" would be the good that's missing. Good and evil are actions of some kind and are opposed to each other, the action of good is the opposite of evil.

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Is rape really the opposite of respect? That seems like a forced antonymy. There are a lot of things lacking in the rapist, but the defining feature of the rapist is their willingness to commit such a heinous act. This is not a deficit but a surplus. I know you're taught this 'evil is the lack of good' line, but it quite frankly doesn't make any sense. Nor does it resolve what is the nature of neutral actors. They lack good, so are they evil? Nonsense.

Many things could be the opposite of respect, if the man respects the woman there's no way he's going to rape her. Any person who has respect for another has an allies on there side to keep them from committing crimes against another.
I used respect because it is something that exists through learning about others and it encompasses many other things that could have been mentioned.
I'm not sure you understood my position on the lack of good or the lack of evil. Good and evil are just words, they both need actions to define them and those action will be opposed to each other. When God said at the end of each day of creation, "it is very good," He was speaking of His action of creation, He was enjoying all that He had done. It wasn't because there was no evil action, because up to that point only God would have known what evil really was, evil did not even exist it wasn't even a concept because nothing in creation had any idea of what it was or that it could exist.
If one believes that evil is the lack of good then the opposite would have to be true and like I stated above God called the creation good because He created it perfectly, not because there was no evil.

GC

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Jesus was a liar or not one person in the history of humanity has ever really believed in Jesus because no one has ever done what he said a true believer who does not have any doubts about him can easily do.

What would that be?

GC

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Jesus was a liar or not one person in the history of humanity has ever really believed in Jesus because no one has ever done what he said a true believer who does not have any doubts about him can easily do.

What would that be?

GC

Jesus said that if a person has faith in him and no doubts that the person could tell a mountain to jump into the sea and that it would obey.  He also said that a person could command a tree to uproot itself and that it would obey.  And he also said that people could do greater miracles than he had done.

[Godscreated]

What would that be?

GC

Jesus said that if a person has faith in him and no doubts that the person could tell a mountain to jump into the sea and that it would obey.  He also said that a person could command a tree to uproot itself and that it would obey.  And he also said that people could do greater miracles than he had done.

First, Jesus said, "they would do greater things than these," they, are the disciples not other people.
Second, the fig tree and mountain are in the same verse and again Jesus was speaking to His disciples, not about everyone else. Matt. 21:21
Third, Jesus said, "if you have faith as a mustard seed you can say to the mountain move from here to there and it will. Again He was speaking to His disciples, not everyone else. Matt. 17:20
Forth, the next thing Jesus said to His disciples after each occasion was prayer is essential to your life and faith. You need to read carefully when you study the Bible or you can easily miss details such as these.

GC

[Cyberman]

I haven't found Him lacking in any knowledge, and the One who created the universe must be all knowing to accomplish such a thing especially speaking it into existence.

Great. Ask him to tell you the registration number of my car.

[Nay_Sayer]

I thought the student was a marine and the chalk dropped?

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Sorry I should have read the OP and not responded to the title alone.

GC

How do you 'know' that this God you are familiar with is omniscient?

I haven't found Him lacking in any knowledge, and the One who created the universe must be all knowing to accomplish such a thing especially speaking it into existence.

GC

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Good in itself is just a word without defining properties. In your example the lack of good without it's properties would make your statement true. In the case of rape you posed, the lack of "respect" would be the good that's missing. Good and evil are actions of some kind and are opposed to each other, the action of good is the opposite of evil.

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Is rape really the opposite of respect?  That seems like a forced antonymy.  There are a lot of things lacking in the rapist, but the defining feature of the rapist is their willingness to commit such a heinous act.  This is not a deficit but a surplus.  I know you're taught this 'evil is the lack of good' line, but it quite frankly doesn't make any sense.  Nor does it resolve what is the nature of neutral actors.  They lack good, so are they evil?  Nonsense.

Many things could be the opposite of respect, if the man respects the woman there's no way he's going to rape her. Any person who has respect for another has an allies on there side to keep them from committing crimes against another.
I used respect because it is something that exists through learning about others and it encompasses many other things that could have been mentioned.
I'm not sure you understood my position on the lack of good or the lack of evil. Good and evil are just words, they both need actions to define them and those action will be opposed to each other. When God said at the end of each day of creation, "it is very good," He was speaking of His action of creation, He was enjoying all that He had done. It wasn't because there was no evil action, because up to that point only God would have known what evil really was, evil did not even exist it wasn't even a concept because nothing in creation had any idea of what it was or that it could exist.
If one believes that evil is the lack of good then the opposite would have to be true and like I stated above God called the creation good because He created it perfectly, not because there was no evil.

GC

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Jesus was a liar or not one person in the history of humanity has ever really believed in Jesus because no one has ever done what he said a true believer who does not have any doubts about him can easily do.

What would that be?

GC

 Easy, FSM

Any other questions?