Evil is not created; it's allowed. Why? God would rather have free will and evil, than no free will and no evil. Spiritual beings created are: Angels, and Humans. Angels have free will and no plan for Redemption; whereas, humans have free will and a plan for Redemption. God planned the 'Works of Redemption' before the Start of Creation*. Creation provides the stage or backdrop for the main purpose of the Universe which is Redemption. Free will provides a choice between eternal connection or separation with or from God. Whatever free will choice one makes (redemption or no redemption), all humans were created for the glory of God; humans who choose ‘connection’ give glory to God's Grace and Love (the 2'nd Person of the Trinity made an eternal sacrifice for each person individually [think of it as a separate eternal time-line compressed]); those who's choice is ‘separation’ give glory to God's infinity justice in that God will never compromise with sin, and He allows persons to elect independence from his influence, and He show love to even those who reject his offer of  connection, by limiting the freedom of expression of evil that individuals demonstrated in their earthly sojourn (the greater the demonstration of evil, the more restraint [torment] they will experience). The 'torment' is self-imposed; God's nature doesn't allow for it.

*Tim 1:9 He [God] has saved us and called us to a holy life, not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given to us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time.

Quote:Evil is not created; it's allowed. Why? God would rather have free will and evil, than no free will and no evil.

This is a false equivalency. God could have created a world with free will and no evil. Why didn't he?

Boru

(January 17, 2017 at 12:41 am)Godschild Wrote:

(January 16, 2017 at 10:36 am)Stimbo Wrote: You don't need to propagate cheesy modern myths when the cheesy old myths do the job so much better.

We've been through this before but, I went and checked three different translation and the word evil is better translated as calamity. You should get yourself a different translation. You should. have gone on and read verses 9,10 and 11.

GC

Yes, we have been through it before, G-C and you are still a liar.

Quote:Jubilee Bible 2000
I form the light and create darkness; I make peace and create evil: I am the LORD that does all this.

King James 2000 Bible
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create calamity: I the LORD do all these things.

American King James Version
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

American Standard Version
I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.

Douay-Rheims Bible
I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord that do all these things.

Darby Bible Translation
forming the light and creating darkness, making peace and creating evil: I, Jehovah, do all these things.

English Revised Version
I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am the LORD, that doeth all these things.

Webster's Bible Translation
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

World English Bible
I form the light, and create darkness. I make peace, and create calamity. I am Yahweh, who does all these things.

Young's Literal Translation
Forming light, and preparing darkness, Making peace, and preparing evil, I am Jehovah, doing all these things.'

Even your precious KJV says:

King James Bible

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Of 12 translations 10 say "EVIL" and two say "calamity."  Which only goes to show that someone with a fucking agenda can make this happy horseshit say whatever they want it to say.

(January 22, 2017 at 1:16 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I find it interesting that the same people who say atheism is simply a lack of belief in God balk at the idea that evil is the lack of a good that ought to be.

Well, for one, they are radically different things. For two, what does a "lack of a good that ought to be" really mean. When a man rapes a woman, what good that should be is that a lack of? The idea that evil is just a lack of good is nothing but an empty metaphor.

(January 22, 2017 at 10:47 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(January 22, 2017 at 1:16 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I find it interesting that the same people who say atheism is simply a lack of belief in God balk at the idea that evil is the lack of a good that ought to be.

Well, for one, they are radically different things. For two, what does a "lack of a good that ought to be" really mean. When a man rapes a woman, what good that should be is that a lack of? The idea that evil is just a lack of good is nothing but an empty metaphor.

Good in itself is just a word without defining properties. In your example the lack of good without it's properties would make your statement true. In the case of rape you posed, the lack of "respect" would be the good that's missing. Good and evil are actions of some kind and are opposed to each other, the action of good is the opposite of evil.

GC

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(January 22, 2017 at 6:50 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:Evil is not created; it's allowed. Why? God would rather have free will and evil, than no free will and no evil.

This is a false equivalency. God could have created a world with free will and no evil. Why didn't he?

Boru

He did, and God said on the seventh day, "all is good." Mankind brought evil into God's creation, the disobedience of Adam and Eve are responsible for the evil that know exist with man.

GC

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(January 22, 2017 at 10:52 am)Stimbo Wrote:

(January 22, 2017 at 8:04 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Put in the context of morality, neutrality is evil.

Then by doing nothing while a rape is being committed, or a child is being murdered as a witch, all gods are evil.

In the first place there are no other gods in the sense you are stating. Next I think you have tried to apply Huggy 74's statement to God because you can't see Him working and that my friend is your fault. God offers the ability to see Him at work and you have refused to accept the grace that leads to that ability, you're forfeiting everything.

GC

@GodsChild 


How do you believe/know/have faith that the existence of God is true/absolute, when you can't detect absolutes?

(January 23, 2017 at 4:48 am)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote: @GodsChild 


How do you believe/know/have faith that the existence of God is true/absolute, when you can't detect absolutes?

I can detect absolutely that you are a crazy person. To answer your question again, I know God, there are no doubts, I think it's ashame you haven't come to know Him.

GC

God's fault if he hasn't.

(January 23, 2017 at 4:54 am)Godschild Wrote:

(January 23, 2017 at 4:48 am)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote: @GodsChild 


How do you believe/know/have faith that the existence of God is true/absolute, when you can't detect absolutes?

I can detect absolutely that you are a crazy person. To answer your question again, I know God, there are no doubts, I think it's ashame you haven't come to know Him.

GC

Wait, are you saying you are omniscient of any event (ie: you have absolute data on any event?)

(I had not been aware that humans/theists possessed omniscience of any event) 

(January 23, 2017 at 5:00 am)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote:

(January 23, 2017 at 4:54 am)Godschild Wrote: I can detect absolutely that you are a crazy person. To answer your question again, I know God, there are no doubts, I think it's ashame you haven't come to know Him.

GC

Wait, are you saying you are omniscient of any event (ie: you have absolute data on any event?)

(I had not been aware that humans/theists possessed omniscience of any event) 

God is the omniscient one and it is through Him I can know things without doubt. Humans do not have to be omniscient they need only to rely on the One who is omniscient.

GC