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Little Sara. Just why; humans? you're criminals.
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RE: Little Sara. Just why; humans? you're criminals.
Humanity has both good and bad sides, and you'll always find unexpected instances on both sides of that spectrum. Though personally, I am hopeful, we will slowly lean more and more towards the "good" side and knowledge and education spreads.
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RE: Little Sara. Just why; humans? you're criminals.
In my ethics in criminal law class we studied a similar case about a boy who starved to death in the same diaper he wore home from the hospital with a single bottle that had been propped into his mouth by his mother who was in the next room getting high with her friends. These kinds of stories are heart wrenching for sure. Maybe not the most brutal things I've ever read about, but awful just the same. It's not about sinners or Muslims. It's about people. The human race is just fucked up sometimes.
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RE: Little Sara. Just why; humans? you're criminals.
Humans love to draw lines and treat each other as a separate species, but the truth is, no matter where we are from, what political labels, religious labels or economic ideology we hold, we have never been a separate species.

I think the world needs more museums like that of the Holocaust Museum in D.C. NO, not to play favorites to any label, but a global museum to all human cruelty as a lesson as to what not to do to our fellow humans.

We need to teach things like the horrible institution of slavery, the genocide of Native Americans. But also the Colonial brutality of Britain on India. The tribal religious brutality between Christians and Muslims in Africa. The brutality of Jews on Palestine. The brutality of monsters like Po Pot.

None of thee above is singling out one religion.

I went to a Japanese History Museum in Yokohama, and it depicted their conflicts from the middle ages up through this century. It showed the brutality of war in it's conflicts with other Asian countries but especially China. China, I am quite sure they'd paint a different picture in their Museums.

I know my fellow humans are extremely capable of great compassion, but unfortunately we dont widely enough see the long term global picture.

We need more peace, not more war. We need more diplomacy not more nukes.
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RE: Little Sara. Just why; humans? you're criminals.
(October 25, 2017 at 3:58 am)pocaracas Wrote: Isn't there a fertile crescent in the region? A wide expansive patch of land that can provide food for the whole Middle East?

And what do people do?
Fight over it, to keep their own tribe fed, while not caring one iota for anyone else... and they excuse that fighting with "my skywizard is the one real skywizard and your sis false, so you deserve to die". At least, that's how they recruit cannon fodder.

The true solution to poverty and war is education. But that will only happen when there is peace and when the rulers of those places desire true long-term peace.

That region has enough food for all of Asia, along with the Tigris and the Euphrates, and atop of that oil and gold, and lots of historical wonders. The crescent of Iraq and the Levant can support an empire that nobody sleeps hungry in; but humans keep reminding you that maybe they don't deserve such a fate due to their deeds.

I won't blame religion as the main cause; as you said at least that's what the excuse to enlist soldiers in fight. The figures behind the raiding, death and rape of wealth are believe in money and wealth only.

(October 25, 2017 at 4:03 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: Humanity has both good and bad sides, and you'll always find unexpected instances on both sides of that spectrum. Though personally, I am hopeful, we will slowly lean more and more towards the "good" side and knowledge and education spreads.

I highly doubt human advance towards a better future. It's always a "golden age" or a "peak" that civilizations reach; mostly after a great war of some sort (Roman expeditions; Ancient Egyptian campaigns, Muslim empire campaigns...etc), then a severe fall comes; and probably it will hurt so bad; nobody will ever rise after.
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RE: Little Sara. Just why; humans? you're criminals.
There's a trend, with you, in blaming anything but religion for whatever ails the world, even when what;s ailing any given people seems fairly limited to a region under the influence of a particular religion.  Of blaming men for what men cannot practically affect, while excusing the almighty object of your infatuation for what it could if it were anything other than a fantasy.

Similarly, the notion of our current food systems being capable of feeding everyone is a fantasy.  Yes, we produce more food than would be required, but the distribution of that resource, like the distribution of all resources, is uneven.  That, Atlass, is not a situation that man created, nor is it a situation we've yet found a way to remedy.  We are at least, for our part...trying.

It's how we found ourselves here, in this world, not a symptom of some evil rot in humanity.
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RE: Little Sara. Just why; humans? you're criminals.
(October 25, 2017 at 7:17 am)Losty Wrote: In my ethics in criminal law class we studied a similar case about a boy who starved to death in the same diaper he wore home from the hospital with a single bottle that had been propped into his mouth by his mother who was in the next room getting high with her friends. These kinds of stories are heart wrenching for sure. Maybe not the most brutal things I've ever read about, but awful just the same. It's not about sinners or Muslims. It's about people. The human race is just fucked up sometimes.

Hurting others can be justified in so many different ways; but it' hurting the weak is what pains the most and make common things appear like they are so much worse. A kid dying from hunger because of poverty is understandable, poor country no resources; but a kid dies because "X" stole their food, or spent the afternoon getting high is something totally else.

It's just a certain feeling of despise to the criminal and exactly what I wrote in the topic: just why?
It's this tiny concept: "you could be in anybody's shoes". It can be you instead of them. If people thought like that; I doubt sad things like this would happen. A fucked up action can only be carried on by a fucked up concept igniting it. If Christians died yesterday of hunger; Muslims can be so very next. And atheists. And Jews. Tornadoes don't choose. So why do the crime and count on a pass from fate?
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RE: Little Sara. Just why; humans? you're criminals.
Cartoon caricatures of evil and comments on the fallen nature of man aren't ever going to provide the grounds for an accurate answer to the question of "why". Nor will they ever solve the problem, or even remotely suggest how to solve the problem.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Little Sara. Just why; humans? you're criminals.
(October 25, 2017 at 8:00 am)Brian37 Wrote: Humans love to draw lines and treat each other as a separate species, but the truth is, no matter where we are from, what political labels, religious labels or economic ideology we hold, we have never been a separate species.

I think the world needs more museums like that of the Holocaust Museum in D.C. NO, not to play favorites to any label, but a global museum to all human cruelty as a lesson as to what not to do to our fellow humans.

We need to teach things like the horrible institution of slavery, the genocide of Native Americans. But also the Colonial brutality of Britain on India. The tribal religious brutality between Christians and Muslims in Africa. The brutality of Jews on Palestine. The brutality of monsters like Po Pot.


None of thee above is singling out one religion.

I went to a Japanese History Museum in Yokohama, and it depicted their conflicts from the middle ages up through this century. It showed the brutality of war in it's conflicts with other Asian countries but especially China. China, I am quite sure they'd paint a different picture in their Museums.

I know my fellow humans are extremely capable of great compassion, but unfortunately we dont widely enough see the long term global picture.

We need more peace, not more war. We need more diplomacy not more nukes.

The balded part is words of gold; Brian.
I agree. We as humans need to see what others went through, and what we can go through also. The labels people take remind me of an inner ego and a passion for glory that is just destructive.

The pride humans take in mere flags and colors is just disgusting; self-righteousness because of a religious choice or a tribal allegiance is sicker, sometimes I feel people get drunk on false pride.
I would totally support a place that collects the memories of all our fallen in massacres and genocides. Maybe a place like that would remind us of the numbers killed and burned for stupid reasons.

Japan had a very terrifying history if you ask me; the wars between the Samurai clans are just brutal, joining a great culture like that with all the blood shedding just makes rethink human capability of maintaining a peaceful life. No; believe me people will always fight. No matter what. Even for fun

(October 25, 2017 at 10:31 am)Khemikal Wrote: There's a trend, with you, in blaming anything but religion for whatever ails the world, even when what;s ailing any given people seems fairly limited to a region under the influence of a particular religion.  Of blaming men for what men cannot practically affect, while excusing the almighty object of your infatuation for what it could if it were anything other than a fantasy.

Similarly, the notion of our current food systems being capable of feeding everyone is a fantasy.  Yes, we produce more food than would be required, but the distribution of that resource, like the distribution of all resources, is uneven.  That, Atlass, is not a situation that man created, nor is it a situation we've yet found a way to remedy.  We are at least, for our part...trying.

It's how we found ourselves here, in this world, not a symptom of some evil rot in humanity.

My own "Religious Views" in my profile is a direct attack on religion! It's saying "I'm a Muslim; but not a Sunni nor Shiite..or in other words; Islam has nothing to do with Sunni and Shiite sects". I see that as a very severe attack on the 2 sects composing the majority of Muslims; which put me on the crosshair for so many religious people.

Of course; let's not forget my criticizing views of Christianity and Judaism. Actually; both contain the same bloodthirsty concepts in Shiite and Sunni sects of Islam.
Also; atheists don't escape the hammer of judgement; because the non-belief in punishment in the afterlife does indeed produce mentalities like Stalin.

So I'm almost against everybody; except people who do good. And on top of them; the Quran as the last source containing what God actually said. It's just a belief though. Still: believers didn't create the atomic bomb; irreligious secular governments did. And an attempt from a Shiite regime in the middle east. and a Sunni government near India. 

The "almighty object" ignored here; is not the flip-flops of Bin Laden; but the tactical bombers and nuclear bombs of the "modern world".

Obese people are not trying to share food. I myself am a sinner, for leaving my french-fries to be thrown in the garbage yesterday without completing it along with the soda bottle. See the amounts of meat and rice thrown in the garbage in Saudi Arabia.

Humans are not even close from trying. Some of us try; but so many don't

(October 25, 2017 at 10:42 am)Khemikal Wrote: Cartoon caricatures of evil and comments on the fallen nature of man aren't ever going to provide the grounds for an accurate answer to the question of "why".  Nor will they ever solve the problem, or even remotely suggest how to solve the problem.

If life is a test; then the problem might not be offered for a solution in the first place
It will never be solved. But life will always flow in ups and downs that ensure making a unique test with similar questions for every human, from Adam and Eve, to Judgement Day.
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