FTM (he's yummy)

[Foxaèr]

Well, there aren't a lot of progresive people where I am ,most of them are homophobic so I won't bother to discuss transsexuality with them.
But asexuality ? You would think that with the bible promoting abstinence asexuality would be desired.

Abstinence before marriage. Otherwise, "be fruitful and multiply".

[Edwardo Piet]

Ok but in all seriousness there are only two genders. None of this "they" stuff please. It's he or she.

Two sexes but I think it's certainly possible to identity as genderless or bigender. I reckon there's two sexes and four genders. Sex refers to what chromosones you have, and gender refers to which sex you feel like you have. And it's possible to feel like you're male, female, both or neither.

Sure, people can think they don't feel like they're male, female both or neither... but I'm not sure what they are talking about and I don't think they know either.

Perhaps "genderfluid" can differ from "bigender" in the sense that a genderfluid person's identity flows between both sexes, being in the ballpark of both in feeling, but a bigender person has clear moments when they feel very male and clear moments where they feel very male... but I'd say they're both cases of a person who feels both male and female.

So ultimately I'd say there are two sexes and four gender identites. Or should we say 4.5 gender identies.

The idea of 17 or god knows how many identities... I feel like people are splitting hairs and mistaking subcategories for categories, but that's just the way I see it. Ultimately you either see yourself as male, female, neither or both whether sometimes or all the time.

But either you have male or female chromosones.

Now I say that, but like with the rest of evolution... there is no clear line. There is ultimately no clear line, in principle, to draw between a biological female and a biological male, as it's more compicated than "Do they have a penis or vagina?" I mean, there's even people born with both genitals. And there's people with brains that don't match their genitals, etc. Even when it comes to sex there's no clear line to draw in principle, but yes in practice it's at least usually rather clear. Gender idendity on the other hand is more fluid, but yes you tend to either feel XX XY both or neither sometimes never or always right?

Back to the point I think you were trying to make; Nah I feel you are being a bit closed minded and too quick to call transphobic and bigot. What if a heterosexual male honestly loses attraction once finding out that it is a born male that changed to female? Like not denial but honestly does not.

How is that possible? We're talking about someone you literally just saw display their naked personality and naked body to you, you developed a boner... found them to be the most attractive person you've ever seen and then you realized their chromosomes aren't what you thought they were and suddenly you're turned off? I'm sorry but such a thing is about as biologically possible as seeing a glass of water and feeling thirsty because you haven't drank in a day, and then suddenly discovering that glass is made from sand when you always thought it was made out of ice and suddenly you're not thirsty anymore, and you swear you don't have some bizarre phobia of sand. Sure you may THINK you're not thirsty anymore....

[notimportant1234]

Well, there aren't a lot of progresive people where I am ,most of them are homophobic so I won't bother to discuss transsexuality with them.
But asexuality ? You would think that with the bible promoting abstinence asexuality would be desired.

Abstinence before marriage.  Otherwise, "be fruitful and multiply".

Yes but I think that Peter sayed that no contact with women is the desired path , or something like that.

[Foxaèr]

Yes but I think that Peter sayed that no contact with women is the desired path , or something like that.

Without the direct quote, I cannot be certain. But maybe he was talking about the priesthood?

[SaStrike]

Ok but in all seriousness there are only two genders. None of this "they" stuff please. It's he or she.

Two sexes but I think it's certainly possible to identity as genderless or bigender. I reckon there's two sexes and four genders. Sex refers to what chromosones you have, and gender refers to which sex you feel like you have. And it's possible to feel like you're male, female, both or neither.

Sure, people can think they don't feel like they're male, female both or neither... but I'm not sure what they are talking about and I don't think they know either.

Perhaps "genderfluid" can differ from "bigender" in the sense that a genderfluid person's identity flows between both sexes, being in the ballpark of both in feeling, but a bigender person has clear moments when they feel very male and clear moments where they feel very male... but I'd say they're both cases of a person who feels both male and female.

So ultimately I'd say there are two sexes and four gender identites. Or should we say 4.5 gender identies.

The idea of 17 or god knows how many identities... I feel like people are splitting hairs and mistaking subcategories for categories, but that's just the way I see it. Ultimately you either see yourself as male, female, neither or both whether sometimes or all the time.

But either you have male or female chromosones.

Now I say that, but like with the rest of evolution... there is no clear line. There is ultimately no clear line, in principle, to draw between a biological female and a biological male, as it's more compicated than "Do they have a penis or vagina?" I mean, there's even people born with both genitals. And there's people with brains that don't match their genitals, etc. Even when it comes to sex there's no clear line to draw in principle, but yes in practice it's at least usually rather clear. Gender idendity on the other hand is more fluid, but yes you tend to either feel XX XY both or neither sometimes never or always right?

Back to the point I think you were trying to make; Nah I feel you are being a bit closed minded and too quick to call transphobic and bigot. What if a heterosexual male honestly loses attraction once finding out that it is a born male that changed to female? Like not denial but honestly does not.

How is that possible? We're talking about someone you literally just saw display their naked personality and naked body to you, you developed a boner... found them to be the most attractive person you've ever seen and then you realized their chromosomes aren't what you thought they were and suddenly you're turned off? I'm sorry but such a thing is about as biologically possible as seeing a glass of water and feeling thirsty because you haven't drank in a day, and then suddenly discovering that glass is made from sand when you always thought it was made out of ice and suddenly you're not thirsty anymore, and you swear you don't have some bizarre phobia of sand. Sure you may THINK you're not thirsty anymore....

I agree on the gender/sex point.

On the water part:
Or maybe thirsty, looking at the glass of water, but finds out the water was initially toilet water? Then deciding not to drink the water? Not saying males are toilet water and females are tap water. Just trying to see the example give from a different point of view.

[notimportant1234]

Paul says, “I wish that all men were [unmarried] as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that”
It was Paul in the Chorintians.

[Foxaèr]

Paul says, “I wish that all men were [unmarried] as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that”
It was Paul in the Chorintians.

Oh, Paul. I wouldn't place too much thought or validation into anything he had to state. The dude had issues.

[Catholic_Lady]

You're not taking into account the complexity of sexual attraction and all the factors involved. Either way, sexual attraction is involuntary and not something that can be freely chosen one way or the other. Shaming someone for who they are or are not attracted to isn't right.

[Edwardo Piet]

On the water part:
Or maybe thirsty, looking at the glass of water, but finds out the water was initially toilet water? Then deciding not to drink the water? Not saying males are toilet water and females are tap water. Just trying to see the example give from a different point of view.

As a heretosexual male, men, sexually to me, are like toilet water (or at least so far. Perhaps one day I may discover a dude who is like the most beautiful mineral water I ever tastes. Or at least some pretty fine tapwater. I doubt it but who knows?).

But transwomen are not like toilet water to me sexually (in this analogy we're drawing out)... because I'm, ya know, heterosexual? So I'm into women? Women make me thirsty. What's trans/cis got to do with it?

[Jenny A]

Abstinence before marriage.  Otherwise, "be fruitful and multiply".

Yes but I think that Peter sayed that no contact with women is the desired path , or something like that.

Paul, not Peter. 

[b]1[/b]Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” [b]2[/b]But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. [b]3[/b]The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband.[b]4[/b]The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. [b]5[/b]Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. [b]6[/b]I say this as a concession, not as a command. [/b]I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.

[b]8[/b]Now to the unmarrieda and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. [/b]But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

1 Corinthians 7:1-9 NIV

Here's to burning with passion.