SCOTUS Tells Anti-Abortion Nuts To Go Fuck Themselves

[John V]

I personally would be in favor of killing a good many more.  I salute every woman who chooses to undergo the risks, discomfort and inconvenience of an abortion in order to put the brakes on the plague of humanity that is swamping the planet.

Wow...the ultimate I got mine  attitude.

[Whateverist]

I think of it as a we-got-more-than-our-share-already attitude. But of course you're on orders from your imaginary friend to go forth and multiply, cuz end times baby!

[The Grand Nudger]

Yet another wonderful demonstration of the disconnect between lifers and choicers.  "The issue" for lifers is very clearly personal virtue ethics....but this is irrelevant to the legal status of abortion.

Even horrible selfish people, real bay-bee murdering sluts..... have rights, lol.

[A Theist]

That's interesting, as this morning I was thinking along the same lines. Many here are framing this as a male v. female issue. To me it's a human life issue.

I see it the same way. Every human life is important and should not be co-opted to another's ends. Of course the great, great, great majority of the people getting pregnant happen to be women, while the responsibility for those pregnancies is 50/50 except in cases of coercion/rape. So that tips the scales in the man's direction where responsibility is concerned.

I don't see it as a women's rights issue. Well, except for the fact that worldwide there are a lot of sex selective abortions, and they're mostly keeping the males and aborting the females. That's a women's rights issue. I don't see why the fact that women can bring life into the world grants them the right to kill.

I personally would be in favor of killing a good many more. I salute every woman who chooses to undergo the risks, discomfort and inconvenience of an abortion in order to put the brakes on the plague of humanity that is swamping the planet.

Frequently women will say You're not a woman, so you don't understand/have a say/whatever. My response is, I'm not a woman, but I was a fetus, so yes, I'm entitled to an opinion. There are two parties involved.

You were also one of the people who engaged in activity which could have resulted in a pregnancy, well, unless you're gay. However you're not one of the people who will end up having to decide what to do about what is happening inside their own body, so please shut the fuck up. Thank you.

[Amarok]

That's interesting, as this morning I was thinking along the same lines. Many here are framing this as a male v. female issue. To me it's a human life issue. I don't see it as a women's rights issue. Well, except for the fact that worldwide there are a lot of sex selective abortions, and they're mostly keeping the males and aborting the females. That's a women's rights issue. I don't see why the fact that women can bring life into the world grants them the right to kill.

Frequently women will say You're not a woman, so you don't understand/have a say/whatever. My response is, I'm not a woman, but I was a fetus, so yes, I'm entitled to an opinion. There are two parties involved.

It has nothing to do with having the ability to bring life into the world, but everything to do with forcing a person to keep an unwanted something in their body for the satisfaction of others and at the expense of the person's wellbeing. Look, I can't help you to just magically have empathy for women in these situations. You either have it or you don't, but no woman has to cater to your needs anyways. So that's that.

Until the baby comes out of the woman's body, only the woman carrying the baby inside her womb gets to decide what to do with it while it resides inside her own body. Whether you like it or not, this is the fair and right thing to do as far as I am concerned, and as far as the laws go.

Yeah, you were a fetus in your mother's womb, that's all. You weren't anyone else's fetus.

Here fucking here 

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I disagree.   We tell women who are pregnant, not to smoke, not to drink, not to do crack!  We tell them this, because it is not just their body they are effecting.  (any more smoking will get you nasty looks any way).

Well, this is one of those things being legally debated. Perhaps we shouldn't ban pregnant women from drinking or smoking. Rather, we should provide education and support for women prone to abuse drugs and alcohol while pregnant, rather than use punitive measures to oppress women.

However abortion is not about what the woman who is pregnant does with her body.   It is specifically an act of violence against another human (not the woman).

Which happens to not be illegal, so appeal to emotions all you want, but you aren't going to succeed in having women oppressed and enslaved for your satisfaction. And you don't care about fetuses anyway. This is an anti-woman thing on your part.

As to your side track comment on my signature quote.  I don't think that you did show it as out of context.  To do so, I think that you would need to show immediate context, where the quote was immediately negated, or to possibly show where the quote only applies within an immediate an narrow context. Your problem might be one, that I suspect happens a lot here (especially concerning theists and religion.  That you assume much more than what is said, and arguments that I'm not making.  You may be reading into things too much, and trying to find problems that are not there. 

 I did check the context of the quote when I applied it to my signature (though I don't recall it now).  I don't remember seeing any problem with context.  I also do not think that it was dependent on anything else around it, rather the idea is fully encapsulated within the quote, and was utilized by Vilenkin in this particular circumstance..  So, if you are done tilting at windmills, can we get back to the discussion of ideas?

Yeah, here's the passive aggressive disingenuous RR-tactic in full glory once again. Like you'd have even thought to quote Vilenkin if it weren't for William Lane Craig doing the same, lol.

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The issue is the compelling interest of the state.  Yes, let's focus on that, lol.

They won't it's all going to be appeals to emotion

[A Theist]

I personally would be in favor of killing a good many more.  I salute every woman who chooses to undergo the risks, discomfort and inconvenience of an abortion in order to put the brakes on the plague of humanity that is swamping the planet.

Could you clarify your response to AM....in his response he made mention that worldwide they're terminating the lives of unborn females and bringing the males to birth. Is it females that you're calling the plague of humanity that is swamping the planet? I know they're not the easiest to live with but I'd hardly call them a plague.

[Mermaid]

I personally would be in favor of killing a good many more.  I salute every woman who chooses to undergo the risks, discomfort and inconvenience of an abortion in order to put the brakes on the plague of humanity that is swamping the planet.

Wow...the ultimate I got mine  attitude.

Do you not even notice your incredible hypocrisy? Or do you just choose to ignore it? 

And as a reminder in case you don't recall, YOU GOT SOMEONE PREGNANT AND PAID FOR HER ABORTION.

[John V]

Do you not even notice your incredible hypocrisy? Or do you just choose to ignore it? 

Neither. I choose to confess my guilt.

Change isn't hypocrisy. Hypocrisy would be if I supported someone in getting an abortion now, while saying it's immoral.

[The Grand Nudger]

Personal virtue ethics are always so convenient that way...and yet the truly stunning hypocrisy is in asserting that maybe, just maybe, a person (not you) should be compelled by law (not you) to carry a fetus to term (not you).

It's almost as if you don't believe in rights......at least not others people's rights. You clearly think that you have a right to align the state with your opinion on this matter.

[John V]

The issue is the compelling interest of the state.  Yes, let's focus on that, lol.

Don't you get tired of talking to yourself, lol?