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RE: I Bet "Jesus" Is Real Proud of These Shits
November 30, 2018 at 11:05 am
(November 30, 2018 at 10:49 am)Cherub786 Wrote: (November 30, 2018 at 10:29 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Dreadlocks are not ‘natural’. The armed services don’t allow people - regardless of ethnicity - to wear their hair naturally. Is this a racist policy?
Boru
Well we are talking about a school here not the armed forces.
But since you mentioned it, what do you mean that people aren't allowed to wear their hair naturally in the armed forces regardless of ethnicity?
The natural texture of Black people's hair is coiled. If a Black person straightens their hair, with chemicals, straighteners or other means, then it is no longer wearing naturally.
How does this situation apply to us non-Black people?
What is naturally about a crew cut or a Mohawk?
If you check the link, there are black kids at the school with natural hair. The school prohibits dreadlocks, which are not natural (they won’t grow out of your head on their own).
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RE: I Bet "Jesus" Is Real Proud of These Shits
November 30, 2018 at 11:20 am
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(November 30, 2018 at 11:05 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (November 30, 2018 at 10:49 am)Cherub786 Wrote: Well we are talking about a school here not the armed forces.
But since you mentioned it, what do you mean that people aren't allowed to wear their hair naturally in the armed forces regardless of ethnicity?
The natural texture of Black people's hair is coiled. If a Black person straightens their hair, with chemicals, straighteners or other means, then it is no longer wearing naturally.
How does this situation apply to us non-Black people?
What is naturally about a crew cut or a Mohawk?
If you check the link, there are black kids at the school with natural hair. The school prohibits dreadlocks, which are not natural (they won’t grow out of your head on their own).
Boru
The size and length of hair is not the same issue as not allowing natural texture of hair.
Personally I grow my hair long down to my shoulders as a symbolic rejection of the military and patriotism
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RE: I Bet "Jesus" Is Real Proud of These Shits
November 30, 2018 at 11:26 am
(November 30, 2018 at 11:20 am)Cherub786 Wrote: (November 30, 2018 at 11:05 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: What is naturally about a crew cut or a Mohawk?
If you check the link, there are black kids at the school with natural hair. The school prohibits dreadlocks, which are not natural (they won’t grow out of your head on their own).
Boru
The size and length of hair is not the same issue as not allowing natural texture of hair.
Personally I grow my hair long down to my shoulders as a symbolic rejection of the military and patriotism
Keep moving those goal posts, there’s a good lad.
But you seem to have flipped - you said earlier that the school is not allowing kids to wear their hair naturally. Are they or aren’t they?
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RE: I Bet "Jesus" Is Real Proud of These Shits
November 30, 2018 at 11:29 am
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I think that cherub has confused the issue with the use of the term "natural" when what he intends to communicate is that dreads are or can be a cultural norm.
The underlying question being why is the preferred style of white europeans consequentially neutral or even The Rule™ whereas the preferred style of The Other™ is an actionable issue. The answer is ugly, and it's that dress codes in the us (not just for schools) are biased to the cultural norms of white europeans and have a nasty history as a weaponized tool of racial discrimination. That we persist in this behavior while simultaneously thinking "but I'm not racist, so how can what I'm doing be racist, these are just The Rules™...what's racist about rules?" is so common it's a racist trope, lol.
Most of that, obviously for the peanut gallery, you're a bright guy and I'm sure you're aware.
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RE: I Bet "Jesus" Is Real Proud of These Shits
November 30, 2018 at 11:30 am
(November 30, 2018 at 11:29 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: I think that cherub has confused the issue with the use of the term "natural" when what he intends to communicate is that dreads are or can be a cultural norm.
The underlying question being why is the preferred style of white europeans consequentially neutral or even The Rule™ whereas the preferred style of The Other™ is an actionable issue. The answer is ugly, and it's that dress codes in the us (not just for schools) are biased to the cultural norms of white europeans and have a nasty history as a weaponized tool of racial discrimination. That we persist in this behavior while simultaneously thinking "but I'm not racist, so how can what I'm doing be racist, these are just The Rule™...what;s racist about rules?" is so common it's a racist trope, lol.
Yes exactly!
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November 30, 2018 at 11:34 am
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If it were to be found out that the school denied admission to a white child with dreadlocks, would that be a racist act? Should the school allow the wearing of powdered wigs, extremely long hair, or beauty spots and lead-based pancake makeup? All of these are white European culture. Would that be racist?
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RE: I Bet "Jesus" Is Real Proud of These Shits
November 30, 2018 at 11:42 am
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(November 30, 2018 at 11:34 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If it were to be found out that the school denied admission to a white child with dreadlocks, would that be a racist act? Should the school allow the wearing of powdered wigs, extremely long hair, or beauty spots and lead-based pancake makeup? All of these are white European culture. Would that be racist?
Boru
Interestingly enough....yes! Because that prohibition is, itself, firmly rooted in colonial racism..and so the white student is being penalized for presenting his or herself as Other™ and impugning the established social order and place, the wall of separation between us and them. They are "acting black" - which is bad. Everyone should aspire to behave and present themselves as upstandingly white, even if they're black.....but especially if they're white, dontchaknow!
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RE: I Bet "Jesus" Is Real Proud of These Shits
November 30, 2018 at 11:46 am
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(November 30, 2018 at 11:42 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: (November 30, 2018 at 11:34 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If it were to be found out that the school denied admission to a white child with dreadlocks, would that be a racist act? Should the school allow the wearing of powdered wigs, extremely long hair, or beauty spots and lead-based pancake makeup? All of these are white European culture. Would that be racist?
Boru
Interestingly enough....yes! Because that prohibition is, itself, firmly rooted in colonial racism..and so the white student is being penalized for presenting his or herself as Other™ and impugning the established social order and place.
The it’s a wash, innit? The school is applying the rules equally, irrespective of a student’s ethnicity, which is pretty much the antithesis of racism. The dress code may have racist undertones (although I’m not fully convinced of that), but the school administration don’t appear to be behaving in a racist manner.
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RE: I Bet "Jesus" Is Real Proud of These Shits
November 30, 2018 at 11:47 am
(November 30, 2018 at 8:48 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (November 30, 2018 at 8:42 am)Chad32 Wrote: It's not come crazy distracting hairdo. I've seen it on a lot of black guys, so I'm not sure what the rub is. Yeah, the probably just don't want a black kid at the school, but they can't say that, so they target his hair.
Check the link I posted - they HAVE black kids at the school.
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So likely more sexist than racist. Idk. Dress codes are sort of silly, barring the sillier concepts that people come up with.
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RE: I Bet "Jesus" Is Real Proud of These Shits
November 30, 2018 at 11:47 am
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The equal application of racist regulations is still racist. The wonderful cover provided by "not seeming to be acting racist" is very useful in the maintenance of explicitly racist social order.
(as far as your not being convinced..don't take my word for it, go look it up)
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