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No knock warrants
September 16, 2020 at 11:02 am
I have never thought no knock warrants were a good idea - except in cases of imminent threat of loss of life. Too many people die over a few thousand dollars worth of drugs getting flushed down a toilet.
There is another option -
Make the act of trying to flush evidence a felony multiplier. That is - if they catch you trying to flush evidence - you get double or triple whatever sentance you get.
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RE: No knock warrants
September 16, 2020 at 11:14 am
Looked it up. If you destroy (or conceal or tamper with) evidence to hide a felony crime, doing so already carries its own penalty of twenty years in prison, in addition to whatever else you’re convicted of.
But the justification for no-knocks is only secondarily to preserve evidence. It’s primary justification is to keep bad guys from getting the drop on the cops.
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RE: No knock warrants
September 16, 2020 at 11:43 am
(September 16, 2020 at 11:14 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Looked it up. If you destroy (or conceal or tamper with) evidence to hide a felony crime, doing so already carries its own penalty of twenty years in prison, in addition to whatever else you’re convicted of.
But the justification for no-knocks is only secondarily to preserve evidence. It’s primary justification is to keep bad guys from getting the drop on the cops.
Boru
That primary reason is just dumb.
If the cops knock on my door - I will answer it.
If they come busting down my door in the middle of the night - they will be answered by gunfire.....
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And a really bad guy likely has perimeter guarding - so he already knows the cops are there - and will open fire before the cops get inside....
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RE: No knock warrants
September 16, 2020 at 11:44 am
It might help if they get the address correct.
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RE: No knock warrants
September 16, 2020 at 11:47 am
You'd be dead if you opened fire on armored cops. Get a better plan.
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RE: No knock warrants
September 16, 2020 at 11:49 am
(September 16, 2020 at 11:43 am)onlinebiker Wrote: And a really bad guy likely has perimeter guarding - so he already knows the cops are there - and will open fire before the cops get inside....
In the movies...sure. In reality, law enforcement doesn't face any real pushback when it comes to executing warrants. Knock or no knock.
It's not a dangerous job.
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RE: No knock warrants
September 16, 2020 at 12:01 pm
(September 16, 2020 at 11:47 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: You'd be dead if you opened fire on armored cops. Get a better plan.
Or dead if some cocksucker is trying to kill you and you DON'T open fire.....
Around here the cops don't use armor. Most don't even wear vests.
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RE: No knock warrants
September 16, 2020 at 12:06 pm
(This post was last modified: September 16, 2020 at 12:07 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
No wonder they're always afraid for their lives. Cant find any pots and pans, or....?
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RE: No knock warrants
September 16, 2020 at 12:14 pm
Try not living in a shithole.
Our county has never had a law enforcement officer killed in the line of duty.
Not even a traffic accident.
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RE: No knock warrants
September 16, 2020 at 12:25 pm
(This post was last modified: September 16, 2020 at 2:23 pm by BrianSoddingBoru4.)
(September 16, 2020 at 11:43 am)onlinebiker Wrote: (September 16, 2020 at 11:14 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Looked it up. If you destroy (or conceal or tamper with) evidence to hide a felony crime, doing so already carries its own penalty of twenty years in prison, in addition to whatever else you’re convicted of.
But the justification for no-knocks is only secondarily to preserve evidence. It’s primary justification is to keep bad guys from getting the drop on the cops.
Boru
That primary reason is just dumb.
If the cops knock on my door - I will answer it.
If they come busting down my door in the middle of the night - they will be answered by gunfire.....
...
And a really bad guy likely has perimeter guarding - so he already knows the cops are there - and will open fire before the cops get inside....
Well, for one thing, you’re not a drug dealer (as far as we know  ). Drug dealers are notorious for not opening their doors to cops.
Boru
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